What is the most you would pay for a 6 foot Tesla Supercharger to CCS1 adapter
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I'd may throw in a kidney, too. I voted $1000 or even more.
On a serious note, I'm absolutely fascinated by the competitive disadvantage Tesla is giving up; also makes me skeptical how many and how quickly they will do this. In my mind, they "earned" that right due to being ahead of their time and they should be rewarded. Then, I wonder, just how much money are they going to make off NEVI that they just don't care?
Too much copper required
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It ain't gonna happen. I'll happily eat these words. But it ain't.
Cooling the extension cable. How?
Protecting the installed side NACS connector while attached to an extension. How?
Tesla control of the bring-your-own-cable's condition wrt safety. How?
#1 reason - Tesla will not jeopardize their brand charging reputation by clogging up already busy locations with open CCS access, They already have a remedy with longer cables that stow nicely on v4 and Magic Dock. Tesla will not cede access control.
I'd like to see the rollout planning be done to fill in existing CCS deserts. Then, make a concerted effort to fill in ≥ 200 mile gaps (predominant current EV range) in Magic Dock equipped Superchargers. The last step would be to narrow the Magic Dock gaps.
Cooling the extension cable. How?
Protecting the installed side NACS connector while attached to an extension. How?
Tesla control of the bring-your-own-cable's condition wrt safety. How?
#1 reason - Tesla will not jeopardize their brand charging reputation by clogging up already busy locations with open CCS access, They already have a remedy with longer cables that stow nicely on v4 and Magic Dock. Tesla will not cede access control.
I'd like to see the rollout planning be done to fill in existing CCS deserts. Then, make a concerted effort to fill in ≥ 200 mile gaps (predominant current EV range) in Magic Dock equipped Superchargers. The last step would be to narrow the Magic Dock gaps.
A CCS extension cable is not feasible for these reasons and more. There are too many safety and thermal issues to make anything like this possible.
Correct on all counts.
Yeah, fair enough. I’m still operating under the “we need a longer Supercharger cable”
I did reply to this before I realized what it was for and watching the magic dock videos. I see the problem.
However, I am guessing the CCS adapters doesn't come off the Supercharger cable, so what you really need is a CCS extension cable F->M. You have no idea what electronics are in that adapter that makes it work, so just extending the cable with copper is the safer bet that it not only reaches, but works as Tesla intends.
However, I am guessing the CCS adapters doesn't come off the Supercharger cable, so what you really need is a CCS extension cable F->M. You have no idea what electronics are in that adapter that makes it work, so just extending the cable with copper is the safer bet that it not only reaches, but works as Tesla intends.
No. It certainly is not a matter of just copper wire.
DCFC extension cables are not an option. The reasons for this have been covered already, so I'm not going to go into them (cable cooling etc), but you can review prior posts if you wish to understand the reasons better.
You'll have to forgive me as you seem pretty knowledgable. This capability was just announced a few days ago so I was surprised by your claim that this has been covered many times. I tried to search for any reference to "cooling cable" on this forum, and can only find your mention of it in this thread. Could you provide a link to any post that discusses this topic?
I think my point was if all the technology that tesla put into the CCS adapter ends at the connector, then a "simple" DCFC cable with thick enough copper to adequately transfer the power would simply serve to bring the car closer to the charger. I don't see how Tesla would be able to tell the difference between the connector plugged into the car, or the extended cable plugged into the car.
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So use 500 Kcmil or bigger. Take care of cooling and cable will be so stiff the tesla connector won't be able to hit the ground.
I realize Tesla won't do this. Just wishful thinking for those of us in fast charging holes. (See montana and both dakotas)
I realize Tesla won't do this. Just wishful thinking for those of us in fast charging holes. (See montana and both dakotas)
Post number five above from Volts dictates some, but all of the reasons a DCFC "extension cord" is not possible.
Tesla, or any other manufacturer absolutely can tell what is plugged into it. The connectors themselves have negotiation protocols. These units are capable of passing 250,000+ watts, more than five times the power supply to a typical home. This kind of power has enormous destructive potential, so there are many layers of protection to keep somebody from doing something incredibly silly like, I don't know, trying to hook an extension cord up to it.
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I don’t think the competitive advantage is lost. Their advantage is scale. No other EV maker is in the ballpark; other EV makers are building as much and as fast as they can, and it still pales in comparison. Same with their charging and how fast they deploy them.
Along with subsidies they’re capitalizing on to develop more charging infrastructure (not just homogenizing it), they’re also likely taking much more share of the charging market. They’ve already won the land grab for chargers, and if they become “the” fueling station for EV’s, that another huge revenue stream. They piloted it in the EU and wouldn’t have gone this direction in NA if they didn’t see it as a win…along with free capital to develop it and grow the network.
SO I have several thoughts on this (some of them conflicting, but hey, what the heck..)
1) Tesla, EA, etc. are in business. Purpose: Make money, grow the brand, make more money, etc.
2) Having motorist "BYO" when it comes to connectors is a HUGE liability issue. Remember, there are a ton of motorists out there with no insurance (BTW - anyone know if regular insurance covers damage to 3rd party charging infrastructure?), fake IDs, using stolen/jacked IDs, phones & personal info... why wouldn't all these things be used in negative ways in the context of EVs and charging?
3) If I'm investing $30,000 - $150,000 PER Super/DCFC charger, I'm going to outfit it with every frikkin' sensor I can to ensure safe/secure operation. Will Tesla or anyone else be able to tell if there's an extra 6mm (never mind 6'!) of cable between their power source and a car's charging port - you bet your a$$ they will! A standalone (capacitance) tester only costs $100 - $400, and I'll bet $$$ to donuts that the capability to meter cable length is built into these charging devices. Even the "Ford Pro" home charger has thermal sensors at the screw lugs where the power cables hook in.
To summarize, I think Tesla has played it right with the whole Smartdock thing... I would probably have added 3-or-4 feet to the cable length to ensure left-handed chargers can work on non-Tesla vehicles, but that's about it.
1) Tesla, EA, etc. are in business. Purpose: Make money, grow the brand, make more money, etc.
2) Having motorist "BYO" when it comes to connectors is a HUGE liability issue. Remember, there are a ton of motorists out there with no insurance (BTW - anyone know if regular insurance covers damage to 3rd party charging infrastructure?), fake IDs, using stolen/jacked IDs, phones & personal info... why wouldn't all these things be used in negative ways in the context of EVs and charging?
3) If I'm investing $30,000 - $150,000 PER Super/DCFC charger, I'm going to outfit it with every frikkin' sensor I can to ensure safe/secure operation. Will Tesla or anyone else be able to tell if there's an extra 6mm (never mind 6'!) of cable between their power source and a car's charging port - you bet your a$$ they will! A standalone (capacitance) tester only costs $100 - $400, and I'll bet $$$ to donuts that the capability to meter cable length is built into these charging devices. Even the "Ford Pro" home charger has thermal sensors at the screw lugs where the power cables hook in.
To summarize, I think Tesla has played it right with the whole Smartdock thing... I would probably have added 3-or-4 feet to the cable length to ensure left-handed chargers can work on non-Tesla vehicles, but that's about it.
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Changing the cables out is an eye-popping cost, too. Plus, the current Supercharger cables wouldn't be protected and as aesthetically pleasing when stowed as they are now. V4 Superchargers should address all those problems. (I hope.)
I’d bet that it is possible technically but would agree with Voltz it should not be done. Carrying around your own personal, heavy adapter cable would be a mess. Unfortunately, there wasn’t an agreement on a standard connector in the early days so this is the mess we’re in. Give it a few years and they’ll sort it out.
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