[CyberBill]

I am interested in buying an F150 Lightning Pro. Preferably very 'base model' without upgrades. I'm located in central Washington state, but willing to travel anywhere in the US.

Somewhere in the ~$45k-50k price range for a standard battery, or $55k-60k for ER battery, depending on specifics.

 

[Txxthie]

FWIW: Your $10k under current MSRP prices if you could even buy one. Base Pro has had $16k in price increases since introduction.

 

[CyberBill]

I'm not under MSRP. Current MSRP is $56k. Tax credit is/was $7500 that the previous owner would have gotten and I won't - basically breaking even if I buy from them at $50k. Same price as if I buy a new Pro and get the credit myself. It's like they are getting a free lease.

For people who got the 2022 Pro (or got a private offer on a 2023), they paid $40k and got the $7500 credit - those people would be making $12.5k on the deal (at $45k). Not a bad investment to make that much while getting to drive a new car for a few thousand miles.

 

[CyberBill]

Was able to find a new base model Pro at a dealership in Oregon. They were asking $20k over MSRP, but I negotiated it down to $50k. I might have to do some tax magic to get the credit.

 

[Ormtn1]

Which dealer did you go through?

 

[Txxthie]

I'm not under MSRP. Current MSRP is $56k. Tax credit is/was $7500 that the previous owner would have gotten and I won't - basically breaking even if I buy from them at $50k. Same price as if I buy a new Pro and get the credit myself. It's like they are getting a free lease.

For people who got the 2022 Pro (or got a private offer on a 2023), they paid $40k and got the $7500 credit - those people would be making $12.5k on the deal (at $45k). Not a bad investment to make that much while getting to drive a new car for a few thousand miles.

Sounds like you wish you got that deal! Don't assume you know what "people" paid. Every dealership has their own fees, and handles PCO/Price Protection differently. You would know that if you spent anytime on these forums. You sound like a dealer yourself with that breakdown jargon and what's with your profile pic, so serious! Please do share your luck at the dealership using those deductive reasoning skills to get a base pro for $50k plus a $7500 tax credit.

 

[patrickstoneking]

I'm not under MSRP. Current MSRP is $56k. Tax credit is/was $7500 that the previous owner would have gotten and I won't - basically breaking even if I buy from them at $50k. Same price as if I buy a new Pro and get the credit myself. It's like they are getting a free lease.

For people who got the 2022 Pro (or got a private offer on a 2023), they paid $40k and got the $7500 credit - those people would be making $12.5k on the deal (at $45k). Not a bad investment to make that much while getting to drive a new car for a few thousand miles.

2022 $7500 tax credit if you paid that much in taxes. If you only paid $4000 in taxes then that the maximum credit you can receive.

 

[CyberBill]

Sounds like you wish you got that deal! Don't assume you know what "people" paid. Every dealership has their own fees, and handles PCO/Price Protection differently. You would know that if you spent anytime on these forums. You sound like a dealer yourself with that breakdown jargon and what's with your profile pic, so serious! Please do share your luck at the dealership using those deductive reasoning skills to get a base pro for $50k plus a $7500 tax credit.

Sounds to me like you're butthurt that I got the deal I was asking for. And I really don't understand why you care.

The dealer was Tonkin Ford in Hillsboro, OR. After making the deal over the phone with a very nice man named Juan, I was in and out with the truck in 45 minutes. Brand new 2022 Pro, base model with no options for $50k. I'll need to do some work to get under the $300k income limit, but that shouldn't be too hard with the entire year ahead of me, so I'll work it out with my CPA. The tax credit isn't a requirement for me - but definitely makes it a "fantastic deal" vs a "good deal".

 

[CyberBill]

2022 $7500 tax credit if you paid that much in taxes. If you only paid $4000 in taxes then that the maximum credit you can receive.

That's very true - I tend to assume that anybody buying a brand new $40k vehicle is going to make the income to qualify, but you're 100% right that this isn't always the case.

 

[Txxthie]

Sounds to me like you're butthurt that I got the deal I was asking for. And I really don't understand why you care.

Nope 👎 I got a newer Pro with 9.6kWh + tow tech for less. I reserved in 2021

The tax credit isn't a requirement for me - but definitely makes it a "fantastic deal" vs a "good deal"

So the upper end of your price requirement is a fantastic deal now? It’s fascinating that your initial price breakdown included the previous buyer getting a tax credit.

 

[CyberBill]

So the upper end of your price requirement is a fantastic deal now? It’s fascinating that your initial price breakdown included the previous buyer getting a tax credit. $300k combined income and you’re lowballing for a base truck.

$50k - $7.5k = $42.5k, which is lower than I was expecting to pay. $50k, without the tax break, was my upper range. That was for a USED truck and this one is new, so still a good deal.

I'm not looking for a good deal because it's all I can afford - I was offering what it was worth. And since, y'know, I got the truck, it's self evident that I didn't misread the market. It seems your opinion on the market price of the vehicle is precisely in line with your opinion on what vehicles I should drive - completely irrelevant.

 

[patrickstoneking]

That's very true - I tend to assume that anybody buying a brand new $40k vehicle is going to make the income to qualify, but you're 100% right that this isn't always the case.

I agree for the most part anyone buying one of these vehicles probably pays over $7500 in taxes. I'm retired on social security, so I fell into a much lower income bracket. Traded in both my cars and used my savings to purchase my lightning. Retired electrician, so this truck really caught my eye. At 73, this may be the last vehicle I'll ever own. Only charge at home so recouping some of my money in fuel savings. Truly enjoying this truck.

 

[Txxthie]

I agree for the most part anyone buying one of these vehicles probably pays over $7500 in taxes. I'm retired on social security, so I fell into a much lower income bracket. Traded in both my cars and used my savings to purchase my lightning. Retired electrician, so this truck really caught my eye. At 73, this may be the last vehicle I'll ever own. Only charge at home so recouping some of my money in fuel savings. Truly enjoying this truck.

EV's are addicting and with the state/federal incentives available, it might not be your last vehicle. My mom is turning 83 years young tomorrow. No meds and goes to the gym 4x week. Her next car is a Tesla Model Y when the RWD LFP model that is sold outside US at $40K comes to the US.

 

[btreece]

EV's are addicting and with the state/federal incentives available, it might not be your last vehicle. My mom is turning 83 years young tomorrow. No meds and goes to the gym 4x week. Her next car is a Tesla Model Y when the RWD LFP model that is sold outside US at $40K comes to the US.

I agree that EVs are addicting. I drove our ICE Silverado yesterday instead of the Lightning and was miserable