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I towed my ~5000lb 21' travel trailer about 30 miles away. The drive included climbing over a 1500' Appalachian mountain (2 lane road with switch backs). Compared to towing the same trailer with my 2011 F150 Ecoboost it was effortless. Tons of stability and power, plus hill descents are super easy with battery regen braking nearly eliminating the need use the actual brakes. Energy consumption is roughly double compared to no trailer (expected), cutting range in half. Towing with this thing is fun, but it's solidified my opinion that towing outside of single charge range is impractical for all but the most committed.

I think Ford has done the best they can with the available technology. As far as I can tell towing performance of the Lightning is superior to comparable ICE truck towing (by a lot) in every area but range, but that's a super important area. The only thing that can make this experience better now is improved DCFC availability, but that only gets you from impossible trips to inconvenient trips. Beyond that, until battery technology experiences another significant revolution on par with the introduction of lithium ion cells over nickel based cells, towing over single charge distance is going to suck compared to gas. I think we should be honest about that when representing the practicality / utility of EV towing in the current real world to others. It's pointless to debate the utility of towing over distance EV vs ICE unless your time is worthless.

With the 2011 F-150 Ecoboost that I owned, unloaded I was getting about 18 highway mpg (down from 21 when new). Towing a 5000lb camper, gas mileage dropped to just under 10mpg, ie about half. With a 25 gallon tank that's an endurance of about 4 hours with 15 minute refueling just about anywhere.

Highway range in an ER Lightning with even a moderately heavy trailer with ER pack is going to be ~140 miles starting 100% SOC. That means a first stop at about two hours at a (hopefully) convenient DCFC. Your next leg will be shorter because it only makes sense to charge to 80% before charge rates go down by 2/3. So now you are looking at likely sub 100 mile legs and it will most likely be necessary to drop the trailer before charging. I haven't seen a single Electrify America DCFC yet where it would be practical to keep even a small utility trailer attached without blocking traffic.

For those thinking 'bunk! the ER Lightning get 320 miles so half is 160'. a) Unloaded highway speed range is really about 270 or say 140 towing a camper on the interstate. b) That's only with 100% SOC, at 80% that's only 115 miles c) one needs to recharge before reaching 0 and given the scarcity of DCFC most people are going to sweat <15% SOC. So, real world its going be tough to get more than 100 miles after the first leg.

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that towing outside of one charge range is simply impractical. Can you do it? Probably, but it's likely to be an ordeal taking multiples of time longer than a comparable trip ICE towing, having to drop/attach a travel trailer at every stop. I'm going to tow the camper longer distances but I'm not interested in the risk or hassle driving down to ~10% praying I can find a safe place to drop a trailer and get to a working DCFC.
 

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agreed, but those of us who've owned previous Gen 1 Nissan Leafs and other types of 'low range' 60-70 mile EVs aren't going to be swayed by the 'towing' issue - it's just another fact that lies in the EV path - you must charge more often. Now, the 'parking at the charger with a trailer' might be more of a question, or concern, although if you know how to 'back' a trailer, well, then you're going to be fine.
Folks towing 'in the mountains' are certainly going to be more concerned about range, but the majority of people towing are not in mountainous areas. Most folks also aren't towing often, or as far as we might be concerned with. Most folks, like us, who tow their camper, aren't traveling more than 100-150 miles per trip, or per day, so yes, you'll stop more often, but you'll also be able to 'charge' overnight at the campground. So, these differing towing situations are going to different for everyone. Towing is not 'traveling', but a totally separate and different situation in almost EVERY unique towing scenario.
 

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Where you able to use the bed camera or trailer camera while in motion?
 

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I agree as well, the aspect that I think is interesting about towing with an EV, are the owners who do daily, relatively short distance towing, such as lawn service companies or builders who haul their gear to different job sites. If you are traveling less than 150 miles daily when towing, then I could see significant cost savings over an ICE truck when you are able to charge at home for approx. $15 a day, versus $75 a day in gas to go 150 miles with an ICE truck.
 

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Thank you for a very well written and thorough review. It's been obvious to me since I made my reservation that the adoption of EV's can't be stopped simply because it's better technology than ICE. The Lightning proves that. However if range is an issue...stick with ICE. the infrastructure will happen because consumer's are demanding it but It's adoption will be slow, but steady, but it undoubtably will happen.
 

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For sure, this is the sweet spot. I have a single axle utility trailer that I use to tow a side by side UTV that I’m sure will have much less impact on range. The range issue towing a camper on the highway is mostly about the increased wind resistance than it is hills or even weight. Pulling a camper through the wind at 60 mph is A LOT of drag.
I agree as well, the aspect that I think is interesting about towing with an EV, are the owners who do daily, relatively short distance towing, such as lawn service companies in or builders who haul their gear to different job sites. If you are traveling less than 150 miles daily when towing, then I could see significant cost savings over an ICE truck when you are able to charge at home for approx. $15 a day, versus $75 a day in gas to go 150 miles with an ICE truck.
 

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I’m certainly not trying to sway you, nor do I expect former Leaf owners to see this as a problem. However, a lot of Lightning buyers are like me, replacing ICE F-150s who are used to occasionally towing farther than 150 miles. It’s a significant impact when you realize that you can’t use the $80k truck you just bought (in any reasonable sense) to make a planned camping trip 4 hours (by that 12 year old ICE F150) away.
agreed, but those of us who've owned previous Gen 1 Nissan Leafs and other types of 'low range' 60-70 mile EVs aren't going to be swayed by the 'towing' issue - it's just another fact that lies in the EV path - you must charge more often. Now, the 'parking at the charger with a trailer' might be more of a question, or concern, although if you know how to 'back' a trailer, well, then you're going to be fine.
Folks towing 'in the mountains' are certainly going to be more concerned about range, but the majority of people towing are not in mountainous areas. Most folks also aren't towing often, or as far as we might be concerned with. Most folks, like us, who tow their camper, aren't traveling more than 100-150 miles per trip, or per day, so yes, you'll stop more often, but you'll also be able to 'charge' overnight at the campground. So, these differing towing situations are going to different for everyone. Towing is not 'traveling', but a totally separate and different situation in almost EVERY unique towing scenario.
 

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Thanks for posting this, it's a big factor for me as well and it's good to finally be getting some real-world accounts.

If it were below freezing temps and you were running your heat the whole time as well, wouldn't that reduce your range even further? I've heard some EV owners say that their range is cut almost in half in the winter (I'm in NJ) when running the heat all the time.

If you were towing a trailer AND running heat could that drop your range even further? Perhaps an ER battery at full charge would make it less than 100 miles? That would be a deal breaker for me as I use my enclosed trailer year round and frequently have days of 100-150 miles.
 

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Range will be lower in winter both because of heater use and batteries that are less efficient when cold.

the solution I came up with is to work out a trade with a friend who has and ICE F150 when I occasionally need to tow longer distances. He likes the idea of driving the Lightning. If I didn’t have this option I would be looking to trade for a power boost hybrid. For now I’m trying to avoid that.

Thanks for posting this, it's a big factor for me as well and it's good to finally be getting some real-world accounts.

If it were below freezing temps and you were running your heat the whole time as well, wouldn't that reduce your range even further? I've heard some EV owners say that their range is cut almost in half in the winter (I'm in NJ) when running the heat all the time.

If you were towing a trailer AND running heat could that drop your range even further? Perhaps an ER battery at full charge would make it less than 100 miles? That would be a deal breaker for me as I use my enclosed trailer year round and frequently have days of 100-150 miles.
 

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Great write up @Fishstyx !
Clearly local towing is best case, which typically suits me fine. The two truck solution is likely for a lot of folk.

Personally I'll be maintaining a 3/4 ton for work/towing and many loads exceed the Lightning capacity anyway.

In travel we've always used hotel, air bnb, etc. Towing your own toilet is an American tradition I've never really embraced :D
 

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1st day reservation holder here and I'm anxiously awaiting my "time to order" email., but TBH, I honestly don't understand all of the wringing of the hands on towing, like it's a huge revelation that distance towing is going to be an issue. Well thanks Captain Obvious. It's not a "problem". It just is. It's only a problem if you're a fool that hasn't been following EVs for more than 20 minutes. I can't tow my 25' bumper-pull TT with my Camry either. Use the right tool for the job and the Lightning can't do everything you MIGHT want to do with it, just most things damn well.
 

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I noticed something pretty cool. When in tow mode it disables 1-pedal driving. However when cresting the mountain for a 3 mile 8% downgrade I noticed that regen braking force would automatically modulate to maintain whatever speed I was going when I lifted off the throttle. So rolling down the hill I watched the regen gauge steadily climb while grade increased but my speed remained within 1 mph of what I lifted at, in this case 50mph. That’s super convenient. I didn’t have to touch the brakes until I approached the switchbacks.

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Awesome! Thank you
On the way home I realized I could select hitch view, rear facing from tailgate or looking back over the bed. There’s a 4th option for an aux cam like one on the back of the trailer. You can leave the cameras on the whole drive if you want to see where you’ve been.
 

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Range reduction while towing is definitely something that must be taken into account. While many major interstates have plenty of charging stations to accommodate the range, some in the upper mid-west and west (think I-80 and I-90) are not yet well served. The same applies to secondary roads. This coverage will improve rapidly with the money from the Infrastructure Bill but will take a couple of years. @Fishstyx has identified one of those routes that is currently problematic but hopefully will improve soon. For now, it may be important to make sure there is 220v power at the destination.

I plan to pull a travel trailer across country with the Lightning. Planning using tools like the Ford navigation (good on the road but very limited for charging), A Better Route Planner (great for planning but not great while driving), and PlugShare (good for looking at user reviews of chargers and to look at food, etc. around chargers) are a must. Longer trips will probably require campground-hopping to charge on 220v outlets overnight. It will also be key to look into the voltage and amperage of outlets at campgrounds, perhaps reserving one with a higher power feed. It will not be as easy as it would be in a gas truck.
 
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On the way home I realized I could select hitch view, rear facing from tailgate or looking back over the bed. There’s a 4th option for an aux cam like one on the back of the trailer.
My wakeboat has a rear-facing camera built into the tower normally used for watching the rider. It would be super convenient to have an easy way to connect that to the truck to see behind the boat when towing since the boat is wider than the standard truck mirrors. Do you know where the camera needs to plug in? Does it work if you plug into the USB port in the bed? The user manual only says "This camera needs to be purchased and installed separately"
 

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My wakeboat has a rear-facing camera built into the tower normally used for watching the rider. It would be super convenient to have an easy way to connect that to the truck to see behind the boat when towing since the boat is wider than the standard truck mirrors. Do you know where the camera needs to plug in? Does it work if you plug into the USB port in the bed? The user manual only says "This camera needs to be purchased and installed separately"
Unless they've made a change, there is no USB port in the bed.

To connect that camera, you probably need to have your dealer install the trailer camera and TPMS accessory package. That will provide the wiring the truck needs. However, you'll have to determine if your boat's camera is compatible with that system.
 

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Unless they've made a change, there is no USB port in the bed.

To connect that camera, you probably need to have your dealer install the trailer camera and TPMS accessory package. That will provide the wiring the truck needs. However, you'll have to determine if your boat's camera is compatible with that system.
Browsing the Ford Accessory Site. Not finding a Trailer Camera. Also, what is the dependency on the TPMS Accessory Package?
 
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