[Super Duty]

Tesla has stopped including the mobile charger with its vehicles and will now be selling them separate. Originally the mobile charger was going to cost $400 but it seems like pushback has made Tesla reduce it to $200.

Tesla No Longer Includes Charging Equipment With Vehicles; Cites Statistics

We examine the news that Tesla will no longer include the mobile connector as standard equipment on all new Tesla vehicles.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515439697425805315

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515577134437347329

 

[GDN]

Met with MUCH back lash. Love Elon but he gets it wrong some times. I think the $200 and not being included will still be walked back. I do realize they know exactly how many charge sessions happen on each kind of charger, but it is reported elsewhere that 61% use the mobile connector full time at home (Teslafi and other services also have pretty good stats on this.)

I was OK with the move if they reduce the price of the car by $500, that is what it used to cost from parts and if they allow you to add it to the car at purchase time, but I'm not sure either of those would happen. The Y has gone up $4K in the last few weeks, so it's just another price hike at this point.

Bottom line though I don't an EV should be sold without a basic Mobil connector at a minimum.

 

[Voltz]

Tesla, meet iPhone.

 

[CDT]

Low usage? I’ve been driving a Tesla since 2015 and have never used anything else. In fact I have two of them one of which I’m using for our Mercedes. People overestimate how much charging they need. I’ve never had a problem getting a full charge from the mobile connector.

 

[GDN]

Low usage? I’ve been driving a Tesla since 2015 and have never used anything else. In fact I have two of them one of which I’m using for our Mercedes. People overestimate how much charging they need. I’ve never had a problem getting a full charge from the mobile connector.

Pretty much the same. I use one exclusively for one car and have the Tesla WC (wall connector) for the other car, but the only reason for the WC is it was free as a referral gift. The other mobil charger goes with us anything we leave the metro area.

I don't care what kind of bind you find yourself, with no mobile charger you have no option, with a mobile charger and not in the middle of no where you can almost always find a 120 plug.

 

[FM_Jack]

I figured this would have to happen at some point.

 

[ChasingCoral]

IIRC the Kia EV6 doesn’t come with an EVSE either.

 

[VTbuckeye]

I would be ok without a charge cord coming with my car, but I would not have been ok with that hat on my first plug in vehicle...or the second. I have two EVSEs hardwired in to he garage and two outlets (14-30 dryer plug and 16-20 plug). Our xc90t8 came with an EVSE that works on 120v or 240 x 16 amp on a nema 16-20 plug. From 2013 I have a clipper creek evse that was supposed to be hardwired, but I attached a dryer cord in a junction box to its wiring. I do not use this often (20 amp maximum), but it was used for many years without any problems. It has been unplugged maybe a dozen times so I am not worried about poor connections causing a fire. I would not travel anywhere in an EV without a functional emergency evse, just in case.

Shipping EVs without EVSEs is a bad idea for first time owners. It may also lead to current EV owners hanging on to their evse and subsequent owners not having a charge cord when needed. If it is going to be someone's first plugin they really should have a charge cord and Tesla should be trying to sell to new owners, not just repeat EV owners.

 

[FM_Jack]

Shipping EVs without EVSEs is a bad idea for first time owners. It may also lead to current EV owners hanging on to their evse and subsequent owners not having a charge cord when needed. If it is going to be someone's first plugin they really should have a charge cord and Tesla should be trying to sell to new owners, not just repeat EV owners.

It is bound to happen because after a certain point an EV will be more common. The thought popped into my head a few weeks ago now that I'm getting the Lightning and the ER. I'm getting a mobile charger and the top end version home charger ford makes. Now I'll have 2 sets of the mobile charger. Which I haven't used once away from the house.

A bill was just passed in my state (I believe, just my state) that said all home builds have to have an ev charger in the garage now. These laws and trends are going to make the mobile charger a bad business cost. And a bit of a waste honestly. When is someone that is in a townhouse with street parking using a mobile charger? Someone just got fined by a mall for using their mobile charger in the parking garage.

Over time, the use case for providing one with the car will be a waste. I can see Tesla doing it because their network is everywhere and they've reached a point in which they have repeat customers. They seem to offer seamless help with installing a charger at your home, just get that (and if you are complaining about the cost of a home charger and own a tesla....wow). If I'm on my 3rd or 4th Tesla, why would I want another set of mobile chargers?

I don't see a lot of the other brands that are really hitting the pavement this year doing it after about 5 years or more. I imagine there is a number of EVs made in which they'll stop including it and total EV market saturation. To me at a certain point, it is a waste of materials to keep making them; especially for the manufacturer. Have 3rd party companies do it. The aftermarket for Fords is huge.

 

[VTbuckeye]

It is bound to happen because after a certain point an EV will be more common. The thought popped into my head a few weeks ago now that I'm getting the Lightning and the ER. I'm getting a mobile charger and the top end version home charger ford makes. Now I'll have 2 sets of the mobile charger. Which I haven't used once away from the house.

A bill was just passed in my state (I believe, just my state) that said all home builds have to have an ev charger in the garage now. These laws and trends are going to make the mobile charger a bad business cost. And a bit of a waste honestly. When is someone that is in a townhouse with street parking using a mobile charger? Someone just got fined by a mall for using their mobile charger in the parking garage.

Over time, the use case for providing one with the car will be a waste. I can see Tesla doing it because their network is everywhere and they've reached a point in which they have repeat customers. They seem to offer seamless help with installing a charger at your home, just get that (and if you are complaining about the cost of a home charger and own a tesla....wow). If I'm on my 3rd or 4th Tesla, why would I want another set of mobile chargers?

I don't see a lot of the other brands that are really hitting the pavement this year doing it after about 5 years or more. I imagine there is a number of EVs made in which they'll stop including it and total EV market saturation. To me at a certain point, it is a waste of materials to keep making them; especially for the manufacturer. Have 3rd party companies do it. The aftermarket for Fords is huge.

Does the EV charger in new construction mean the whole evse it just a 14-50 outlet? Having that outlet in the garage would be great. It would allow the end user to select their evse of choice (smart metering...).

 

[Voltz]

Does the EV charger in new construction mean the whole evse it just a 14-50 outlet?

My aunt got burned out to the dirt in the Camp fire in Paradise, CA. She was loudly complaining (many times) about being required to install a 14-50R receptacle in the garage with her new construction. I can only imagine if she was required to furnish an EVSE that she would never use and would be functionally obsolete by the time the next owner might use it! Funny thing is that my uncle (RIP 2016) did a ground-up 5-speed Ford Ranger EV conversion in 2012. It was lost in the fire.

 

[FM_Jack]

Does the EV charger in new construction mean the whole evse it just a 14-50 outlet? Having that outlet in the garage would be great. It would allow the end user to select their evse of choice (smart metering...).

My wife relayed that info to me. Just re-confirmed, it is for my county and she overheard this during a county meeting (she's a civil engineer) and it is for the dedicated circuit to be installed in the garage and possibly elsewhere if parking is available near the structure (ie no garage but driveway). Review on case by case basis for a waiver (like for Townhomes with no parking near the structure).

I like this cause in my case my basement is unfinished and the breaker box is on the opposite side of the house, so not much to do to get that run to the garage.

And to @Voltz comment, just doing the dedicated circuit, what if the AMP isn't what you want? The Ford Charge Pro station can go up to 100 amps. I actually don't completely agree with making it a building requirement. I feel like this is a case in which the market will dictate over time, but the shelf life of a house is a pretty long time...sooo


Oh and one other thing, going back to the mobile charger, if the houses are coming with that dedicated line already installed you can then work with the builder to have the charging station put in before you move in and roll that cost into your home loan. I can also imagine builders could also cut the cost of adding it in (which still charging you) by switching where the location of washer/dryer.

 

[fyrdude]

Another typical Tesla decision. Because they say so, many of their fanboi's will just go with it.

Until such day comes that there are EV chargers located as conveniently as gas stations are today, this is just a stupid move on Tesla's part. Sell $70,000 to $150,000 cars and want to skimp out on a charger. While most may not use it regularly as they'll use home chargers installed or public chargers, its for those times where you may get stranded while travelling and out of range of a public charger. Having a charger in the car means you just need to find an outlet to plug into. Now, no charger, then what? Just a stupid decision at the early stage of EV's that still make up less than 97% of all vehicle sales. Feel bad for the first person that gets stranded without a way to charge their car, and all those that follow. It will happen. Could even be dangerous.

 

[FM_Jack]

Just a stupid decision at the early stage of EV's that still make up less than 97% of all vehicle sales.

😐

 

[Voltz]

I’m still trying to embrace the idea of not having a spare tire and happy Lightning has one.