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It was a good watch. I was on the side of pushing Hybrid tech about 2 years ago when I felt like there was too much push for pure electric. Another reason I'm happy to see Ford push out the Maverick and the Lightning at the same time while saying they are going to keep pushing Hybrid.
 
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Most terrifying part of this to me was the fact that some folks had not realized how much harder an EV is to produce? Or that most of the electricity comes from fossil fuels? That is down right frightening to me....
 

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I think he's hitting some great points, but at the same time, there's little 'facts' when it comes to the actual numbers that he is alluding to - he is only showing you 'his' graph, which bolsters his talk. I think that while he is on to what is really happening behind the scenes, meaning that 'building' a car, no matter whether ICE or EV or Hybrid, takes a LOT of effort and power. Those numbers are relatively the same. And, yes, whether you pump fuel into your truck and drive while emitting co2 or whether you 'fill up' at your home's outlet, allowing a utility company to emit the co2, there is no getting around the fact that NOTHING is co2 free, no, not even riding a horse, or, for that matter, 'running' to the store yourself(and I mean YOU running, not a car running - get your shoes on!)

BUT... what he is not appreciating is that the EV evolution HAS to start somewhere, and nothing EVER starts at the 'prime' point he is trying to make - things start in small and slow scale - they 'evolve' over time as we customers WANT to purchase an EV that does what we want it to. Whether we buy it to 'save the world' or whether we buy it just because it's a GREAT vehicle, does not matter.

As we do buy more and more EVs, though, yes, BETTER and more EFFICIENT batteries and battery production will certainly come into view. Nothing is going to happen, though, if we don't but EVs TODAY. Everyone can't just 'stop' and 'wait' for the PERFECT technology to suddenly show up. That's not reality.

Buy your EV today. Let the market and technology advance the 'cause' in the future.
 

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I don't think he was saying not to buy EV just to realize where we are. The main take away for me was the size of the battery increases that initial CO2 marker and geopolitical issues feed into that as well; which I don't want to get into.

Honestly I my initial desire for an EV was to not be beholden to OPEC and then the hopes that the middle east dries up and we can stop caring about it. They get away with so much because everyone is so dependent.
 
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I don't think he was saying not to buy EV just to realize where we are. The main take away for me was the size of the battery increases that initial CO2 marker and geopolitical issues feed into that as well; which I don't want to get into.

Honestly I my initial desire for an EV was to not be beholden to OPEC and then the hopes that the middle east dries up and we can stop caring about it. They get away with so much because everyone is so dependent.
For these reasons, I been a huge believer in increasing domestic fossil fuel production and reducing use. I feel like a political outcast.... 😆
 

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I heard from a NASA scientist on the Neil Degrasse Tyson StarTalk show that even if we stop adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere right now, the global warming and acidification of oceans will continue for centuries unless the CO2 is actually removed in some way. (BTW, CO2 has increased 33% in ~100years, to give an idea of what us humans can do.) The warming also is releasing extra methane from bogs that are newly exposed from the ice melt, and CH4 is some 20X (80X?) worse than CO2 for global warming. And of course, global warming means extra energy in the biosphere which increases episodes of extreme weather. Given those reasons, our friends in OPEC and Russia will probably be shutting off the oil taps that we suck on soon....Not! Solar, Wind from the Sun's nuclear fusion + energy storage is the only way. Fission and Fossil just add heat beyond what would naturally come from the Sun, so no to those, especially the radioactive stuff from both. Just cover Nevada with solar panels, store the energy in Lightnings, and we should be good! Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
 
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I think he's hitting some great points, but at the same time, there's little 'facts' when it comes to the actual numbers that he is alluding to - he is only showing you 'his' graph, which bolsters his talk. I think that while he is on to what is really happening behind the scenes, meaning that 'building' a car, no matter whether ICE or EV or Hybrid, takes a LOT of effort and power. Those numbers are relatively the same. And, yes, whether you pump fuel into your truck and drive while emitting co2 or whether you 'fill up' at your home's outlet, allowing a utility company to emit the co2, there is no getting around the fact that NOTHING is co2 free, no, not even riding a horse, or, for that matter, 'running' to the store yourself(and I mean YOU running, not a car running - get your shoes on!)

BUT... what he is not appreciating is that the EV evolution HAS to start somewhere, and nothing EVER starts at the 'prime' point he is trying to make - things start in small and slow scale - they 'evolve' over time as we customers WANT to purchase an EV that does what we want it to. Whether we buy it to 'save the world' or whether we buy it just because it's a GREAT vehicle, does not matter.

As we do buy more and more EVs, though, yes, BETTER and more EFFICIENT batteries and battery production will certainly come into view. Nothing is going to happen, though, if we don't but EVs TODAY. Everyone can't just 'stop' and 'wait' for the PERFECT technology to suddenly show up. That's not reality.

Buy your EV today. Let the market and technology advance the 'cause' in the future.
Agreed ted talk makes some good points but also ignores some points as well.
One question I have is: Does the analysis in the ted talk include all of the carbon emitted in the oil and gas industry to find, gather, refine, and distribute the gasoline before it gets to your car? I wonder if they included that lol.

I agree with you as well. We need to continue the march towards making carbon free electricity!... Unfortunately I feel this needs to include new nuclear tech. The "greeness" of electricity generation is very regional too. We also need to upgrade our grid and modernize it. Battery tech is also improving in leaps... and it will become more efficient and less of an environmental impact. What are we supposed to do? Just sit back and pray for better batteries and greener electricity?

We are starting the transition. By the time the majority of cars being sold are electric, electricity and battery tech should be far greener than it is today.

So while the ted talk is interesting, he leaves out the point that this is a long-transition and we would be stupid to not build electric vehicles while we wait for battery tech and greener electricity. That's not how markets work.
 
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