cool! looks wide and low. will definitely be an interesting look.
T3 Shown Under Tarp Official Teaser
Not bad, not bad at all. I know to some people, all they'll see is a tarp. But I can make out a few elements, like the line running across the top of the grille/headlights looks much lower than the current model. The hood also appears to be shorter. Can't wait to see more.
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Looks like enough of a gusset to be a 'Fridgeline' or 'Forvalanche'. I wonder if it's a unibody? Might be the tarp.
Yeah I think that the angled part between the bed and cab is just the tarp. It's going to be BOF like the current lighting. A more areo focused design that looks like a futuristic radical take on the '97-03 trucks with a more cab forward design, longer bed, similar overall length. It's apparently quite cool looking.Looks like enough of a gusset to be a 'Fridgeline' or 'Forvalanche'. I wonder if it's a unibody? Might be the tarp.
All of that is going off of what Explorerdude said on Blue Oval Forums. He's an insider with a very reliable track record.
Indeed, very sporty and modern looking going off the overall proportions.cool! looks wide and low. will definitely be an interesting look.
An interesting conundrum is that improving aerodynamics of the truck makes the relative impact of towing even worse. Once you stick a non-aerodynamic trailer behind a vehicle, the vehicle's aerodynamics are largely irrelevant. That's probably one reason the Lightning has a bit better efficiency when towing than the Rivian R1-T. While the trailer increases drag on the Lightning, that drag increase is even greater for the Rivian. I expect the same issue will hit the T3.
Of course, better aero will be a real benefit for the T3 most of the time.
Probably the real advantage the Lightning has over the Rivian for towing is better regeneration on braking and speed control. That, of course, has nothing to do with aerodynamics.
Of course, better aero will be a real benefit for the T3 most of the time.
Probably the real advantage the Lightning has over the Rivian for towing is better regeneration on braking and speed control. That, of course, has nothing to do with aerodynamics.
So are most of you all expecting this T3 truck to replace the lightning in the EV lineup or will FORD continue to offer the lightning even with this Gen 2 truck?
This is the second generation lightning, except it'll be called thunder instead. Not sure how I feel about that, hope the name grows on me.So are most of you all expecting this T3 truck to replace the lightning in the EV lineup or will FORD continue to offer the lightning even with this Gen 2 truck?
Based on what I've heard, this will be another truck in the lineup and not a replacement of the Lightning. Ford knows the F-150 is the best selling vehicle in America and won't be quick to drop that line. An electric F-150 will be an essential part of the lineup for many years to come.So are most of you all expecting this T3 truck to replace the lightning in the EV lineup or will FORD continue to offer the lightning even with this Gen 2 truck?
I am in the "all I see is a tarp" column.
I don't claim to know if it will be a unibody, but it does look lower. That's good because it promotes lower drag/efficiency, stability, and ease of loading and entry, while reducing accident deaths of people outside the truck (this is not the same as increasing deaths inside). And a ladder frame does increase the distance between the ground and the floor of the passenger compartment. Some of that height is where the battery goes, but I think it would be possible to build a lower truck with less distance between the floor and the bottom of the structure & battery with a unibody.Yeah I think that the angled part between the bed and cab is just the tarp. It's going to be BOF like the current lighting. A more areo focused design that looks like a futuristic radical take on the '97-03 trucks with a more cab forward design, longer bed, similar overall length. It's apparently quite cool looking.
All of that is going off of what Explorerdude said on Blue Oval Forums. He's an insider with a very reliable track record.
So, my guess - and it's just a guess - is that a unibody is likely.
Someone also speculated about a longer bed being possible with a more cab-forward design. A cab-forward and lower design seems more likely with any truck designed from the ground up as an EV. There's no need fora long engine compartment and a nice Frunk probably can't justify, increased cost, length, and weight and decreased visibility. But a longer bed? I don't see it. I'd love an EV truck with an 8-foot bed and probably would have chosen one with a standard cab over a crew cab with a 5.5 foot bed, if those were the choices. (Having both would be even nicer, but would probably preclude parking in my driveway.) But 95% of these have nothing bigger than a cooler in the back 99.9% of the time. A full-length bed is used so rarely that I doubt it will even be an option on this or any other EV pickup while ICEV trucks are still more common.
Ford will need an EV regular cab with 8 foot bed for fleet sales if they want to convert ice sales. But for early adopter/max profits/production rampup the current single lightning config is understandable.I don't claim to know if it will be a unibody, but it does look lower. That's good because it promotes lower drag/efficiency, stability, and ease of loading and entry, while reducing accident deaths of people outside the truck (this is not the same as increasing deaths inside). And a ladder frame does increase the distance between the ground and the floor of the passenger compartment. Some of that height is where the battery goes, but I think it would be possible to build a lower truck with less distance between the floor and the bottom of the structure & battery with a unibody.
So, my guess - and it's just a guess - is that a unibody is likely.
Someone also speculated about a longer bed being possible with a more cab-forward design. A cab-forward and lower design seems more likely with any truck designed from the ground up as an EV. There's no need fora long engine compartment and a nice Frunk probably can't justify, increased cost, length, and weight and decreased visibility. But a longer bed? I don't see it. I'd love an EV truck with an 8-foot bed and probably would have chosen one with a standard cab over a crew cab with a 5.5 foot bed, if those were the choices. (Having both would be even nicer, but would probably preclude parking in my driveway.) But 95% of these have nothing bigger than a cooler in the back 99.9% of the time. A full-length bed is used so rarely that I doubt it will even be an option on this or any other EV pickup while ICEV trucks are still more common.
Oh. I understand it and I don't resent it at all. I consider myself lucky to have been able to buy a Pro Lighning, which I expect Ford lost money selling to me, but I'd be even happier with a true fleet/working truck version.
With what I have now, I'll probably just get a hitch-mounted bed extender for carrying sheet goods & 8' lumber and a headache bar for longer stuff. A bed extender that can be used at bed or roof level plus a headache bar will let me carry longer lumber in small quantities, but won't carry what a real ladder rack would.
With what I have now, I'll probably just get a hitch-mounted bed extender for carrying sheet goods & 8' lumber and a headache bar for longer stuff. A bed extender that can be used at bed or roof level plus a headache bar will let me carry longer lumber in small quantities, but won't carry what a real ladder rack would.
I’d like to see the batteries from ATL (Korea) in their new vehicles. 2x the energy density of Tesla
I think this T3 is going to be futuristic and have more power than the Lightning and a much larger battery with a 600 plus miles per charge , it has to compete with these other truck dealers ! Tesla is claiming 600 miles per charge , Ram 500 miles per charge and Chevy 400 miles per charge , Ford has to kick their ass !!
If you think it will have a much larger battery, you need to listen to the dog & pony show Farley is parading. He clearly thinks better charging and no larger batteries is the solution. I doubt we’ll see batteries over 150 kWh coming from Ford in a 150 or smaller pickup. Maybe in a Super Duty or larger.I think this T3 is going to be futuristic and have more power than the Lightning and a much larger battery with a 600 plus miles per charge , it has to compete with these other truck dealers ! Tesla is claiming 600 miles per charge , Ram 500 miles per charge and Chevy 400 miles per charge , Ford has to kick their ass !!
It's all very well to have access to superchargers but there's marginal savings versus gas when paying for DCFC. Being able to fill up at home with much cheaper residential rates (market dependent) and have a solid range without having to pay for premium charging will be a big sales point in the future imo.If you think it will have a much larger battery, you need to listen to the dog & pony show Farley is parading. He clearly thinks better charging and no larger batteries is the solution. I doubt we’ll see batteries over 150 kWh coming from Ford in a 150 or smaller pickup. Maybe in a Super Duty or larger.
Agreed but receiver that the battery is the most expensive component in a BEV.It's all very well to have access to superchargers but there's marginal savings versus gas when paying for DCFC. Being able to fill up at home with much cheaper residential rates (market dependent) and have a solid range without having to pay for premium charging will be a big sales point in the future imo.
Ford is claiming the 350 plus mile range of their 7 seater ev crossover is achieved using a the 100 Kilowatt Hour battery pack. If that range to battery size ratio remains mostly in tact for the T3, with the current lighting's 140 Kilowatt hour battery pack, we could be looking at 490 miles of range.I think this T3 is going to be futuristic and have more power than the Lightning and a much larger battery with a 600 plus miles per charge , it has to compete with these other truck dealers ! Tesla is claiming 600 miles per charge , Ram 500 miles per charge and Chevy 400 miles per charge , Ford has to kick their ass !!
A very solid a respectable number in something that uses a much smaller battery pack than many other full size pickup rivals, and will probably be considerable cheaper. One of the main benefits are partnering with Red Bull's F1 teams is tapping some of that engineering talent for developing advanced areo on things like upcoming EVs.
Ford seems to be on the right track here. Focus on smaller, more affordable and environmentally sustainable battery sizes, and invest in radical areo to reach desired range targets.
I don't like it being that I rebadged my 01 f250 diesel 7.3 "thunder" after buying my lightning 🤣🤣🤣This is the second generation lightning, except it'll be called thunder instead. Not sure how I feel about that, hope the name grows on me.
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