[Sp2000]

Is there a test done for standard range version? I have seen charging curve for extended range version.

Let us say I want to do total 250 miles round-trip in a day so I leave home nearly full battery drive nearly empty (roughly 175-200 miles) so I need to stop for to add about 75-100 miles of range - how long would my stop need to be? 10-15 min would not add to travel time at all as in my use case (south nj to jfk and back) the 175-200 miles is about 4-5 hours behind the wheel already and a short break is needed.

 

[Txxthie]

I am also curious regarding the DC charging characteristics (theoretical top speeds and charging curve) of the standard range battery. I know that the on board AC Charger is 11.3 kW and know what to expect from Level 2. Can anyone who has a standard range lightning and has used EA Level 3 DC Fast Chargers chime in? After the recent price hikes and most likely future additional increases, the standard range pack might become the more popular choice. 240 miles of range is not far from my Ioniq 5 AWD 256 mile range. If the lightning standard range pack can charge flat and above 120 kW to 80%, it will work for most people commuting or as a road tripper.

 

[RDale]

I am also curious regarding the DC charging characteristics (theoretical top speeds and charging curve) of the standard range battery. I know that the on board AC Charger is 11.3 kW and know what to expect from Level 2. Can anyone who has a standard range lightning and has used EA Level 3 DC Fast Chargers chime in? After the recent price hikes and most likely future additional increases, the standard range pack might become the more popular choice. 240 miles of range is not far from my Ioniq 5 AWD 256 mile range. If the lightning standard range pack can charge flat and above 120 kW to 80%, it will work for most people commuting or as a road tripper.

Welcome to the forum @Txxthie! I'm surprised no one has had the chance to test it out with the standard range battery yet, everything I've seen is for the extended range. How have you liked the Ioniq 45? I've heard good things about it.

 

[Txxthie]

Welcome to the forum @Txxthie! I'm surprised no one has had the chance to test it out with the standard range battery yet, everything I've seen is for the extended range. How have you liked the Ioniq 45? I've heard good things about it.

Thanks.....Its my 5th EV and one the best (M3 the best). It has a very refined power train, its quite, great ride, lots of space, fast, looks like nothing else on the road, and its a great road tripping vehicle (10K miles in 3 months). The charging speed is amazing, I don't have to help my girlfriend anymore shopping for groceries in Walmart, the I5 charges too fast. The average EV owner gets stuck on range, but charging speed is very important. It doesn't matter whether you plug the I5 into a 150kW charger or 350kW it will do 20-90% in almost the same amount of time...30mins. 20-80% 350kW wins but after 80% the charging curve falls flat probably due to heat and allows the 150kW charged vehicle to catch up as it maintains a higher rate of charge over 80%. EV's over $60K are really not realistic for the average American, so the standard range lightning is the sweet spot IMHO. I can easily see lightnings becoming the new family SUV's because there is no EV on the market now with the space (power frunk) large families need. Ford has a monster hit on their hands if they can produce these vehicles in numbers with healthy profit margins.

 

[SCVLightning]

Old thread here but I figured I’d just share my experience and ask for others as well.

I just got my SR XLT this week. I did a 140 mile drive one way yesterday and back home today. In both cases I started the trip with about 85-90% charge which showed about 175 miles range. I had to stop one time on both ways to add some range as it was clearly dropping. I mostly drove between 70-75mph with three kids and my wife with me. We were using the climate control of course.

I used electrify america both times and they add a charge very quickly. Usually, I’ve seen they’re up to 150kw but the last one I used had up 350kw. In either case, I wasn’t getting the max output. It was 65kw and 95kw , respectively.

question for others, are you experiencing range like this? This is no where near 230. While I wasn’t expecting that, 175 miles at 90% implies less than 200 miles at 100%, which is quite a bit below what Ford is advertising

 

[Txxthie]

Old thread here but I figured I’d just share my experience and ask for others as well.

I just got my SR XLT this week. I did a 140 mile drive one way yesterday and back home today. In both cases I started the trip with about 85-90% charge which showed about 175 miles range. I had to stop one time on both ways to add some range as it was clearly dropping. I mostly drove between 70-75mph with three kids and my wife with me. We were using the climate control of course.

I used electrify america both times and they add a charge very quickly. Usually, I’ve seen they’re up to 150kw but the last one I used had up 350kw. In either case, I wasn’t getting the max output. It was 65kw and 95kw , respectively.

question for others, are you experiencing range like this? This is no where near 230. While I wasn’t expecting that, 175 miles at 90% implies less than 200 miles at 100%, which is quite a bit below what Ford is advertising

If you go above 70 mph on the highway, aerodynamics are not favorable on the Lightning for efficiency. If you’re driving in temperatures below 50°, that’s not optimal for efficiency. The Lightning doesn’t have a heat pump which is not optimal for efficiency. If you can’t DCFC precondition the battery for charging (in cold weather) you won’t get fast speeds. I drive an Ioniq 5, which is one of the fastest charging EVs sold today (Note: mine hasn’t been updated for DCFC preconditioning yet) Yesterday I was charging at 35-50kWh on a 350 kW charger arriving at 35% and in 30 minutes, I only gained 15%. The car was cold gating because of 2 days of sub freezing temperatures without being charged. All EVs sold today should have pre-conditioning and heat pumps, especially when sold in colder. environments.
An extreme example but validates the need for preconditioning and how cold batteries charge.

Ford offers six other tips to get optimal range:
Precondition your vehicle using departure times to warm the battery while plugged-in.

• Use the heated seats and steering wheel as primary heat to reduce energy consumed by HVAC.
• When charging, turn off the heater or lower the temperature enough to remain comfortable. (Especially when using DCFC)
• Brush any snow or ice off the vehicle before driving to eliminate extra weight and drag.
• Keep driving speeds moderate in cold temperature as high speeds use more energy.
• Ensure your tires are at the proper pressure.

A lot of that is commonsense, but bears repeating.

2022 Lightning Pro weighs 6500lbs (98kW battery x 2.4 miles per kWh = 240 miles range). Cold weather will effect range by approx. 30% when using heat (no heat pump) and even more if at highway speeds of 75mph. So your range of 175 is dead on!

 

[R.I.P.]

Old thread here but I figured I’d just share my experience and ask for others as well.

I just got my SR XLT this week. I did a 140 mile drive one way yesterday and back home today. In both cases I started the trip with about 85-90% charge which showed about 175 miles range. I had to stop one time on both ways to add some range as it was clearly dropping. I mostly drove between 70-75mph with three kids and my wife with me. We were using the climate control of course.

I used electrify america both times and they add a charge very quickly. Usually, I’ve seen they’re up to 150kw but the last one I used had up 350kw. In either case, I wasn’t getting the max output. It was 65kw and 95kw , respectively.

question for others, are you experiencing range like this? This is no where near 230. While I wasn’t expecting that, 175 miles at 90% implies less than 200 miles at 100%, which is quite a bit below what Ford is advertising

Your numbers are spot on what was predicted for attempting road trips with an SR before the vehicles was even produced. You can check some of the older threads on here where the math was discussed. Trying to "road trip" an SR is going to take dedication & patience.

 

[SCVLightning]

If you go above 70 mph on the highway, aerodynamics are not favorable on the Lightning for efficiency. If you’re driving in temperatures below 50°, that’s not optimal for efficiency. The Lightning doesn’t have a heat pump which is not optimal for efficiency. If you can’t DCFC precondition the battery for for charging (in cold weather) you won’t get fast speeds. I drive an Ioniq 5, which is one of the fastest charging EVs sold today (Note: mine hasn’t been updated for DCFC preconditioning yet) Yesterday I was charging on a 350 kW charger arriving at 35% and in 30 minutes, I only gained 15%. The car was cold gating because of 2 days of sub freezing temperatures without being charged. All EVs sold today should have pre-conditioning and heat pumps, especially when sold in colder. environments.
An extreme example but validates the need for preconditioning and how cold batteries charge.

Ford offers six other tips to get optimal range:
Precondition your vehicle using departure times to warm the battery while plugged-in.

• Use the heated seats and steering wheel as primary heat to reduce energy consumed by HVAC.
• When charging, turn off the heater or lower the temperature enough to remain comfortable. (Especially when using DCFC)
• Brush any snow or ice off the vehicle before driving to eliminate extra weight and drag.
• Keep driving speeds moderate in cold temperature as high speeds use more energy.
• Ensure your tires are at the proper pressure.

A lot of that is commonsense, but bears repeating.




2022 Lightning Pro weighs 6500lbs (98kW battery)
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Thanks, I'm in Los Angeles. It's been about 50-70 degrees since I picked up the truck on Monday. The weather hasn't been an issue and I've certainly been charging quickly using the DC chargers from Electrify America. I should have my 80amp Ford charger in a few days which will make my life a little easier.

Specifically on the drive yesterday, I lost a fair amount of range, even while going downhill. Based on your response, and using the process of elimination, driving over 70mph (but under 80) and using the HVAC are the culprits.

 

[SCVLightning]

Your numbers are spot on what was predicted for attempting road trips with an SR before the vehicles was even produced. You can check some of the older threads on here where the math was discussed. Trying to "road trip" an SR is going to take dedication & patience.

Yea, dedication is an understatement. At this rate, I can't even do a round trip from one end of LA county to the other.

 

[R.I.P.]

This post predicted the SRs real-world "road tripping" range between charges to be 145 miles. It is spot on.

How Fast Does Ford F-150 Lightning Pro Standard Range...

Tom Moloughney tested the charging capability of the Lightning Pro Standard Range and found that it charges slower than the Extended Range and has less range.

www.lightningowners.com

 

[R.I.P.]

"All EVs sold today should have pre-conditioning and heat pumps"

Yes! At this point, it is kind of old tech... It has been the standard for the T brand and GM for years.

Happily, these problems should be correctable via software updates in the future. Farley has admitted that Ford needs to become a "software company" to compete. Fingers crossed they recruit the right people...🤞

 

[Voltz]

Fingers crossed they recruit the right people...🤞

Put shock collars on the recruiters just in case they get tempted to hire anyone from the fustercluck that is consuming VW. As you observed, there are some software areas where Ford and VW either collaborated or have mistakes-in-common like charging.

 

[SCVLightning]

This post predicted the SRs real-world "road tripping" range between charges to be 145 miles. It is spot on.

How Fast Does Ford F-150 Lightning Pro Standard Range...

Tom Moloughney tested the charging capability of the Lightning Pro Standard Range and found that it charges slower than the Extended Range and has less range.

www.lightningowners.com

just thinking of ways here…so on road trips, I should charge to 100% when leaving home. Get that extra 20-30 miles or whatever it is

 

[R.I.P.]

just thinking of ways here…so on road trips, I should charge to 100% when leaving home. Get that extra 20-30 miles or whatever it is

Yep. Get that extra surge b4 settling in to the road trip routine that restricts you to the middle 60% or so of your pack.

This is the math that gets ya. Road tripping erases 40% of your pack... if you are lucky & have DCFC @ good intervals. The 30% extra that Ford is giving us with the ER just gets us there, breaking that 300 mile "wall".

I bounce from coast to coast and into Mexico multiple times a year, and have been doing it in EVs now for quite a while. The Teslas have really spoiled me the past few years. I just don't see myself ever going back to a <300-mile vehicle for road trips, I did it for too long lol. Even then, the ER is borderline, given it's freeway speed penalty (speed limits are 85 MPH out here).

 

[ChasingCoral]

Look on your FordPass app at "My EV Driving. What efficiency does your truck register for the legs of the drive? Multiply that by the battery size for your approximate "full battery" range. 2.33 miles/kWh will get you your full predicted range. At 75 mph you may be down around 1.8.

Also, what was your battery %SOC when you charged? You probably won't charge at 150kW if you are above 50%.

 

[SCVLightning]

Yep. Get that extra surge b4 settling in to the road trip routine that restricts you to the middle 60% or so of your pack.

This is the math that gets ya. Road tripping erases 40% of your pack... if you are lucky & have DCFC @ good intervals. The 30% extra that Ford is giving us with the ER just gets us there, breaking that 300 mile "wall".

I bounce from coast to coast and into Mexico multiple times a year, and have been doing it in EVs now for quite a while. The Teslas have really spoiled me the past few years. I just don't see myself ever going back to a <300-mile vehicle for road trips, I did it for too long lol. Even then, the ER is borderline, given it's freeway speed penalty (speed limits are 85 MPH out here).

yea I see Tesla chargers every where. The hotel we stayed at had probably 10 of them. And only a couple in use. Hopefully they let us in on the fun soon.

saw a rivian at the hotel too. Looks sweet but not as much room as the lightning.. I’ve got a 300 mile range R1S on order so I guess that’ll be our road trip vehicle when it arrives.

 

[ChasingCoral]

yea I see Tesla chargers every where. The hotel we stayed at had probably 10 of them. And only a couple in use. Hopefully they let us in on the fun soon.

saw a rivian at the hotel too. Looks sweet but not as much room as the lightning.. I’ve got a 300 mile range R1S on order so I guess that’ll be our road trip vehicle when it arrives.

Why are you thinking the Rivian will roadtrip better than the Lightning?

 

[R.I.P.]

Why are you thinking the Rivian will roadtrip better than the Lightning?

300 miles of range on the Rivian will work better than the 240 of the SR.

ER different story.

 

[ChasingCoral]

300 miles of range on the Rivian will work better than the 240 of the SR.

ER different story.

Maybe. Range is better in the Rivian but Lightning has a better charge curve.

 

[R.I.P.]

Maybe. Range is better in the Rivian but Lightning has a better charge curve.

The ER's curve is better, but the SR's is not.