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Ouch! Maybe a trip to the hardware store for a small tarp?
Really enjoyed reading your travel log and data sheets. Get the updates coming!
Hope that charging door closed ok!
No tarp needed. Just knocked away a little around the edges and it closed fine. Had more trouble getting one of the mirrors to open.
 

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I guess Electrify America and others were thinking about trucks and trailers when they started installing charging stations in Texas. The Texas stations have been among the best setups for charging with a trailer.

Feb. 2
We finally made it out of Ray Roberts Lake Park as the roads thawed out. We only needed one charging session on our way to meet family in Rio Vista/Grandview. The EVGo in Duncanville was pretty well set up for charging with a trailer. It was also my first EVGo session after setting up Autocharge Plus.

Feb. 3
After spending the night with family, we wanted to get a bit more charge before picking up the trailer. We started out the morning at this Chevrolet/Buick/GMC dealership with a free EV Connect ABB unit. Clearly we could have charged with the trailer attached.

The first full session was at this Electrify America in western Fort Worth where we got faster charging on a 150 kW charger than the neighboring EV6 did on a 350!
This report on @RateYourCharge was the first of two in the last couple of days to get a response from Electrify America:
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Next was charging in Eastland, TX. It had a pretty good setup for charging with a trailer but 2/4 chargers were dead.

Last of the day was Sweetwater, TX. The setup was one of the best for charging with a trailer that I had seen -- even better to come on 2/4!

After that we got a full overnight charge at Lake Sweetwater Municipal Park. 50/30/20A connections, water, and a dump station for $15 a night! It was in a beautiful place, too!
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Feb. 4

The charging setups continued to improve. Two more West Texas sessions today: Midland and Fort Stockton. Charging with trailers continued to improve.

Midland could have been better if someone hadn't been sleeping in their car in a space next to the chargers on one end but I was able to only block half the lane on the other end and left all the other chargers open. All 4 chargers were working but 1 of the 350s had been derated:
I came back later and found another Lightning at the good 350 unit:
When the driver of the White Lariat arrived it turned out to be one of our own. Here's a shot of me with Robbie (is that you @Rocko52?
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Sweetwater was the best yet with all four chargers set up as pull-throughs (if the adjacent spaces aren't taken). 3/4 were working.

Tonight we are camping at the Marathon Hotel and RV Park, half way between Fort Stockton and Big Bend National Park. We'll depart Marathon with a full charge tomorrow morning.
 
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Tomorrow is departure. We'll be driving from MD to NC, then to GA, then across the southern routes to CA, up to OR, then turning around and doing it again. Cross-country Lightning trek pulling a 24.5' travel trailer.

More details will be coming but I'll be posting leg efficiency, charging, reporting all charging sessions on PlugShare and RateYourCharge, along with a bit of travel fun along the way there and back.

Here's Sherman with the trailer from back in August when we did our shake-down trip.
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Approximate timings:
1/17-18 Raleigh, NC area
1/20-22 Okeefenokee Swamp

1/29-2/9 Texas (Texarkana, across to Dallas area, central Texas, Big Bend NP, exit stage left)

2/11-2/23 CA

2/24-2/27 OR

3/1-3/10 CA

Back home before April.

At least, that's the plan.

What's the weight of your trailer and do you have trailer brakes on your trailer? I ask because I want to rent a camper trailer this summer and I want to know how much I can tow and what all is involved with pulling a trailer.

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What's the weight of your trailer and do you have trailer brakes on your trailer? I ask because I want to rent a camper trailer this summer and I want to know how much I can tow and what all is involved with pulling a trailer.

Thanks.
Our trailer is 3,789 pounds unloaded. We figure we have about 800 pounds of gear and water. Yes, we have electrical trailer brakes and generally keep the brake gain down to 3. You definitely want trailer brakes!

Ours is a Lariat ER with the max tow package added (the trailer tech package is included in the ER Lariat). It can tow up to 10,000 pounds but a good rule of thumb for long-distance towing is to limit the load to about 2/3 of the rated capacity.
 
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While today's charging went very well, the driving was much more exciting than I would prefer. We had two long legs today. The first was about 117 miles from Sweetwater to Midland and the second about 107 from Midland to Fort Stockton.

I was confident that 117 miles on a full charge would be fine at 50 mph and that was what the Ford Navigation said as well. We started out with about 23 miles of buffer (Distance to Empty calculation > distance to charger).
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What I didn't realize was how much of an impact a 15-20 mph headwind would have. By the time we reached a third of the trip, the buffer had been eroded down to about 11 miles. With about 60% of the leg behind us, it looked like we might not make it to the Midland charger.
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Fortunately, Texas interstates often have frontage roads running along them for miles. I hopped off and started driving 40 mph on the frontage roads while my wife looked up possible RV parks to stop in for charging. There were no backup CCS or J-1772 chargers to be had. We identified RV parks to use as backups. We found an alternate route that went straight through a town while the interstate bent around it, saving a couple of miles and driving slowly.

The slower speed gave us back the range we needed, ending the leg with 6% and 6 miles of range on the GOM.
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Note that the efficiency was down to 1.1 mpk, whereas 50 mph driving had been giving us an average of nearly 1.3 mpk.

We started out the 107 mile leg from Midland to Fort Stockton with a bit more buffer and better informed. Here we are a few miles into the leg:
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Knowing we would have similar winds and only a 90% charge, we left the interstate and took a slower speed shortcut.
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Wind had killed efficiency on this leg, too. Even with lower speeds we only averaged 1.2 mpk.
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We're really glad we decided to overnight in the Marathon Hotel and RV Park, roughly halfway from Fort Stockton to Big Bend National Park. The full drive would have been 140 miles and we could have only easily charged to 90% at the EA station in Fort Stockton. 140 miles with a full battery and 40 mph should have been a piece of cake. However, the 15-20 mph headwind could have sunk us.

It's an interesting feeling when the navigation system tells you that all chargers are unreachable, so you are past the point of no return. There is nothing on the road from Fort Stockton to Marathon except cattle and oil wells. It takes a real leap of faith to keep going.

Tomorrow will be much easier: a short driving day with only 70 miles from Marathon to Big Bend NP with a full charge!
 

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BTW Both Charge Point and EA are responding to my @RateYourCharge video tweets now, including repairing a Station I reported down.
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I need to get caught up on my posts but here's a teaser:
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Now in California, Sherman and our trailer (Fillmore) made it from the Atlantic to the Gulf, and now to the Pacific.

Three big lessons:
  • When pulling a trailer, range anxiety is real
  • In parts of the south and west, chargers are barely close enough together (or not)
  • In California, the plague of BEVs with three years of free charging makes charging difficult for those of us who really need to use DC Fast Chargers
 

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Just missed you in Florida, Miss, and Louisiana! We drove to Florida and back but behind you by just a bit....in a Honda Pilot. Still waiting on my Lightning stuck in purgatory, built but not shipped. Question, have you calculated the average kw/hr cost using DC fast chargers? I'm hearing prices all over the place, as I'm sure you are, but it seems like the cost of charging using DCFC's is as expensive as gasoline mpg.
 

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Just missed you in Florida, Miss, and Louisiana! We drove to Florida and back but behind you by just a bit....in a Honda Pilot. Still waiting on my Lightning stuck in purgatory, built but not shipped. Question, have you calculated the average kw/hr cost using DC fast chargers? I'm hearing prices all over the place, as I'm sure you are, but it seems like the cost of charging using DCFC's is as expensive as gasoline mpg.
I haven't been doing so but can do that pretty easily. I'll provide some cost data shortly but here are the usuals. However, the costs are definitely less than gasoline.
 
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Sorry that I'm way behind on posting here. We start back east from CA tomorrow. I'll do some catch-up of past events so expect events out of order. Here are the three videos of yesterday's historic Tesla Supercharging session (posted elsewhere as well):
It was great to meet @everiklevine who had graciously allowed me to charge my Lightning up in the Sierras. I declare we were the first pair of Lightnings to charge at a Supercharger at the same time!



My big hope is Tesla adds a couple more Magic Dock locations in those big charging holes on our way back east! Underserved states from AZ east to AL along I-10 would be prime targets.
 
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A few days ago we had a lousy charging experience in Quartzite, AZ. It's out in the middle of nowhere and a must-make charging session with the trailer on the route from Joshua Tree NP, CA and the metro-Phoenix area. It's only a four-pack EA station. Of course, one was down. The others were all occupied and folks were charging to well over 80%, one to 100%. We finally were able to charge (an hour to 90%) but it took 2-1/2 hours.

Today it got worse and my perfect record was quashed. I finally had to leave an EA station without charging. Pulled into the Tucson (AZ) Premium Outlets with high hopes. It had reasonable options for charging Sherman with the trailer attached. 10 chargers to choose from and only one in use. 9 & 10 wouldn't communicate with Sherman. 7 was listed as unavailable so I tried 5&6.

A Mach E tried #3 with no luck. During the same time a Mercedes tried a few chargers with no luck. In the meantime, the lone successful charge was an EV6 at #2. They left and another Mach E tried and charged at #2. An id.4 connected on 5.

I moved back to 9 & 10 and called EA -- no luck when they tried it and rebooted. The Mach E left 2 so I tried it as well, no luck when I tried it, EA tried it, and when EA rebooted it. Finally, after 1-1/2 hours and no charge I left for a 50kW charger downtown to get enough to get to Benson, AZ.

Charged on the first try in Casa Grande, AZ before going to the outlets. Charged on the first try in Benson, AZ after leaving the outlets and a tree 50kW charger in downtown. The problem was definitely with the EAs at the outlets. Fortunately, I was in the metro-Tucson area so I had options. I'm about to have more than a week of must-charge chargers. Fortunately, I tried many of them in February.
 
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Another insight:

Under challenging situations for estimating efficiency while driving (lots of changes or major changes in elevation while towing a trailer), Sherman will often recalculate the DTE and change required chargers while in mid-trip. In each case, the initial estimate of range is very conservative. Later, the truck will pop up a logo about range recalculated due to EV conditions, then provide much more range than the original estimate. It seems either the truck or the Ford mothership takes a while to take all variables into account.

This wouldn't be so bad if I knew I was only getting a quick first approximation and would later get a revised estimate using all parameters. The current operating situation and reporting to the driver leads to some real uncertainty.
 
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Another insight:

Under challenging situations for estimating efficiency while driving (lots of changes or major changes in elevation while towing a trailer), Sherman will often recalculate the DTE and change required chargers while in mid-trip. In each case, the initial estimate of range is very conservative. Later, the truck will pop up a logo about range recalculated due to EV conditions, then provide much more range than the original estimate. It seems either the truck or the Ford mothership takes a while to take all variables into account.

This wouldn't be so bad if I knew I was only getting a quick first approximation and would later get a revised estimate using all parameters. The current operating situation and reporting to the driver leads to some real uncertainty.
I truly hope that Ford product managers and software engineers are following this thread
 

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Another insight:

Under challenging situations for estimating efficiency while driving (lots of changes or major changes in elevation while towing a trailer), Sherman will often recalculate the DTE and change required chargers while in mid-trip. In each case, the initial estimate of range is very conservative. Later, the truck will pop up a logo about range recalculated due to EV conditions, then provide much more range than the original estimate. It seems either the truck or the Ford mothership takes a while to take all variables into account.

This wouldn't be so bad if I knew I was only getting a quick first approximation and would later get a revised estimate using all parameters. The current operating situation and reporting to the driver leads to some real uncertainty.
Actually, we just ran into this again today but the terrain is very flat. As we pulled off I-10 to charge in Lordsburg, NM, the Ford navigation told us our next charging stop was Deming, NM. The navigation had been saying this all morning. After charging, the Ford Navigation said we had to go well out of our way to a Ford dealer to charge as we could not reach Deming. 5-10 minutes later, the navigation readjusted the electric range and routed us directly to Deming again.

Weird.
 
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