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I will be picking up the truck in a few weeks and it comes with the both the standard and pro charger. My understanding is the main benefits of having the pro charger installed is:

1) Faster charging
2) home backup (*if I pay to have it setup)

I am thinking of not having the backup power installed, I already have a Honda Generator that my house can run on and I don't know if I want my truck out of commission when power is out.

Questions:

1) If I am not using the home backup should I just get a NEMA 14-50 installed and go with the standard charger that comes with the truck?
2) If by chance I want to use my truck as generator could I just plug it into the outlet that I use with my generator that is already installed? (see photo)


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Yes I'd recommend just using your existing generator set up with pro power on-board.

For charging, I'd get the pro station or other hard wired. The "standard" charger you are referencing is the mobile charger, you will want to keep that in the truck. Note that if you want to re use the 14-50 wiring/ breaker, you can derate the charge station pro to 40 amps.
I don’t see why plugging that into the the 220 plug in the box wouldn’t work. It looks the same as the box plug only mail instead of female. But I’m no electrician.
But ya the only difference would then be the speed of the charger.
I will be picking up the truck in a few weeks and it comes with the both the standard and pro charger. My understanding is the main benefits of having the pro charger installed is:

1) Faster charging
2) home backup (*if I pay to have it setup)

I am thinking of not having the backup power installed, I already have a Honda Generator that my house can run on and I don't know if I want my truck out of commission when power is out.

Questions:

1) If I am not using the home backup should I just get a NEMA 14-50 installed and go with the standard charger that comes with the truck?
2) If by chance I want to use my truck as generator could I just plug it into the outlet that I use with my generator that is already installed? (see photo)


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1) Depending on the wiring you can get up to 80 amps (19.2 kW) of power with the Ford Charging Station Pro, often referred to as FCSP or CSP. The Ford Mobile Charger maxes out at 32 amps (7.7 kW). You can decide how much charging capacity you need based on how you use your truck. Some feel the Mobile Charger is not as robust as the FCSP.

2) The Lightning has a bonded neutral. There's a lot written about this but the gist is you need a transfer switch that switches neutrals in addition to hot wires. This is an unusual setup unless you are are using a generator with a bonded neutral. For that reason, I suspect your setup will not work without modification. I installed a Generac 6852 Manual Transfer Switch. It has been written about here or other forums.

If you are running new wire, I suggest running the biggest circuit your panel can handle and using the FCSP. 100 amps is preferable. This gives you the option to charge relatively quickly overnight, which is the least expensive time to charge on many energy company plans.
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1) Depending on the wiring you can get up to 80 amps (19.2 kW) of power with the Ford Charging Station Pro, often referred to as FCSP or CSP. The Ford Mobile Charger maxes out at 32 amps (7.7 kW). You can decide how much charging capacity you need based on how you use your truck. Some feel the Mobile Charger is not as robust as the FCSP.

2) The Lightning has a bonded neutral. There's a lot written about this but the gist is you need a transfer switch that switches neutrals in addition to hot wires. This is an unusual setup unless you are are using a generator with a bonded neutral. For that reason, I suspect your setup will not work without modification. I installed a Generac 6852 Manual Transfer Switch. It has been written about here or other forums.

If you are running new wire, I suggest running the biggest circuit your panel can handle and using the FCSP. 100 amps is preferable. This gives you the option to charge relatively quickly overnight, which is the least expensive time to charge on many energy company plans.
Fantastic detail, very much appreciated. I don't necessarily have a very long commute but do like the idea of being able to charge once a week overnight. Is there any downside to installing the pro? Proprietary for ford? more expensive/complex to install VS the NEMA?
Fantastic detail, very much appreciated. I don't necessarily have a very long commute but do like the idea of being able to charge once a week overnight. Is there any downside to installing the pro? Proprietary for ford? more expensive/complex to install VS the NEMA?
The more powerful the charger, the bigger the circuit. Bigger circuits require thicker more expensive wire.

You really don’t want to use as plug-in connector as your permanent charging solution. That introduces another source of failure.

If you haven’t watched these videos, please do.
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Fantastic detail, very much appreciated. I don't necessarily have a very long commute but do like the idea of being able to charge once a week overnight. Is there any downside to installing the pro? Proprietary for ford? more expensive/complex to install VS the NEMA?
Only real downside is it has the ccs connector instead of j-1772, so adapter for tesla isn't clean. Also, monitoring of usage is flaky. For charging any vehicle with a ccs port, not a real big downside.

Downside of NEMA is potential for issues with overheating/ fire at connectors, especially if plugged in/unplugged frequently. Hard wired connections will always be safer/ more secure.
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One thing you may want to confirm with your dealer is that the truck comes with the Ford Mobile Charger. I picked up a 2023 and was told that in 2023 model year, Ford stopped including the mobile charger with the truck. I called Ford and confirmed with them as well.

I left the dealer with no way to charge my truck (first EV) except to use public chargers until my FCSP arrived and I could get it wired up.
The more powerful the charger, the bigger the circuit. Bigger circuits require thicker more expensive wire.

You really don’t want to use as plug-in connector as your permanent charging solution. That introduces another source of failure.

If you haven’t watched these videos, please do.
Thanks! I had watched those a long time ago and needed the refresher. Most importantly I remembered there was a top tier installer but couldn't remember who that was - QMERIT! I just submitted a request for estimate. Only odd thing is I provided all the photos/details to have pro power installed and it gave me an estimate for a basic NEMA install. It was for $800 - which I am pretty sure that wont be close...

Thanks for the info!
One thing you may want to confirm with your dealer is that the truck comes with the Ford Mobile Charger. I picked up a 2023 and was told that in 2023 model year, Ford stopped including the mobile charger with the truck. I called Ford and confirmed with them as well.

I left the dealer with no way to charge my truck (first EV) except to use public chargers until my FCSP arrived and I could get it wired up.
I am buying used 2022 and has both, he never installed the pro so its still new in box.
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I don’t see why plugging that into the the 220 plug in the box wouldn’t work. It looks the same as the box plug only mail instead of female. But I’m no electrician.
But ya the only difference would then be the speed of the charger.
Unless you have a transfer switch that will switch the neutral wires (house and generator/Lightning) as well as the hot, the GFCI in the Lightning will trip if you try to use it for your house.

The 220v outlet on the Lightning has a bonded, that is, it is grounded, neutral, and because your house panel also has a grounded neutral, the GFCI in the Lightning will detect a fault condition and open unless you isolate the bonded neutral in the house panel.

Older generators had a floating neutral, so it was not an issue, but now regulations require newer generators to have the neutral bonded, although on some of them, the neutral can be temporarily unbonded for use on a house with a transfer switch that does not switch neutrals. The Lightning does not have that ability to unbond/unground the neutral.

Transfer switches that switch the neutrals are sometimes called GFI transfer switches and specify that they can be used with bonded neutral sources/generators.

Also note the limit is 30A coming from the Lighting 220V outlet so it won't keep everything in the typical house running, just the basics, like with a 8,500W generator for example.

The ChargeStationPro set up for house backup is a pricey undertaking from what I've read (over $5k for installation with house back up capabilities depending on your existing house electrical set up), and some people have had issues with the operation after installed - perhaps because the installation was not done right - and problems getting customer support in some cases from the installer, and from Ford, about how to correct the problems.

If you want the maximum charge rate from the Pro, you'll need at least a dedicated 100A circuit to get the 80A max the charger is rated for - you must derate by 80% and 80% of 100A is 80A - but that is assuming the house panel is relatively close to the Pro charger.

"Maximum loading for any branch circuit is 80% of the rating of the circuit for ampacity of wire for any load. (NEC 220-2)." #3 AWG has 100A ampacity but should conduct at most 80 amps. The ChargeStationPro manual specifes #3 AWG wire, #6 AWG for the ground wire.

If your garage or location for the Pro is far from your house panel, you have to increase ampacity by 20% more per 100-125 feet due to the voltage drop at distance. In that case, the electrician would probably suggest a 100A subpanel in the 100ft plus distant garage.

A qualified licensed electrician installer should be able to do the calculation and get the right size wire and breaker, but double-checking them is a good idea.

However, you can set the max current of the Pro charger (EVSE) to a lower amperage, all the way down to 30A, I believe. So you could put off any upgrade to your house circuitry for later.

But if you are not going to back up your whole house with the Lightning and can't put in a dedicated 100A circuit, perhaps because your house panel won't accommodate it, and you can deal with a longer charging time, any L2 charger might make more sense.
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Unless you have a transfer switch that will switch the neutral wires (house and generator/Lightning) as well as the hot, the GFCI in the Lightning will trip if you try to use it for your house.

The 220v outlet on the Lightning has a bonded, that is, it is grounded, neutral, and because your house panel also has a grounded neutral, the GFCI in the Lightning will detect a fault condition and open unless you isolate the bonded neutral in the house panel.

Older generators had a floating neutral, so it was not an issue, but now regulations require newer generators to have the neutral bonded, although on some of them, the neutral can be temporarily unbonded for use on a house with a transfer switch that does not switch neutrals. The Lightning does not have that ability to unbond/unground the neutral.

Transfer switches that switch the neutrals are sometimes called GFI transfer switches and specify that they can be used with bonded neutral sources/generators.

Also note the limit is 30A coming from the Lighting 220V outlet so it won't keep everything in the typical house running, just the basics, like with a 8,500W generator for example.

The ChargeStationPro set up for house backup is a pricey undertaking from what I've read (over $5k for installation with house back up capabilities depending on your existing house electrical set up), and some people have had issues with the operation after installed - perhaps because the installation was not done right - and problems getting customer support in some cases from the installer, and from Ford, about how to correct the problems.

If you want the maximum charge rate from the Pro, you'll need at least a dedicated 100A circuit to get the 80A max the charger is rated for - you must derate by 80% and 80% of 100A is 80A - but that is assuming the house panel is relatively close to the Pro charger.

"Maximum loading for any branch circuit is 80% of the rating of the circuit for ampacity of wire for any load. (NEC 220-2)." #3 AWG has 100A ampacity but should conduct at most 80 amps. The ChargeStationPro manual specifes #3 AWG wire, #6 AWG for the ground wire.

If your garage or location for the Pro is far from your house panel, you have to increase ampacity by 20% more per 100-125 feet due to the voltage drop at distance. In that case, the electrician would probably suggest a 100A subpanel in the 100ft plus distant garage.

A qualified licensed electrician installer should be able to do the calculation and get the right size wire and breaker, but double-checking them is a good idea.

However, you can set the max current of the Pro charger (EVSE) to a lower amperage, all the way down to 30A, I believe. So you could put off any upgrade to your house circuitry for later.

But if you are not going to back up your whole house with the Lightning and can't put in a dedicated 100A circuit, perhaps because your house panel won't accommodate it, and you can deal with a longer charging time, any L2 charger might make more sense.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. That’s some good info.
I will be picking up the truck in a few weeks and it comes with the both the standard and pro charger. My understanding is the main benefits of having the pro charger installed is:

1) Faster charging
2) home backup (*if I pay to have it setup)

I am thinking of not having the backup power installed, I already have a Honda Generator that my house can run on and I don't know if I want my truck out of commission when power is out.

Questions:

1) If I am not using the home backup should I just get a NEMA 14-50 installed and go with the standard charger that comes with the truck?
2) If by chance I want to use my truck as generator could I just plug it into the outlet that I use with my generator that is already installed? (see photo)


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I don't drive that far. I charge my Lightning to 80% and that's it. I run down to the 60%'s some times. I have my truck programed to charge starting at 9pm to give the battery time to cool so as not to charge a hot battery. It's usually charged back to 80% with 2-3 hours depending how low I run it. Mostly to the low to mid 70% area. I installed the 14-50 outlet using #6 wire and a 50amp GFCI breaker and used the wall mount bracket that comes with the mobile charger. I could always unplug it to take it with me if ever needed.
I have the 80amp charger that was supplied with the truck sitting in the attic. I have no plan to install it though. If I want to plug my house into the truck, I will just use my generator cord to plug into the 30amp outlet in the bed. The 80amp charger is going to need a 100amp GFCI breaker. For me, with my driving amount and life style, the mobile charger is perfect.
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