[Kawartha Lightning]

Wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. I’ve set up preferred charging times in both the app and then the truck on the centre console screen. Every time I plug it in it ignores the settings and starts charging right away. I said the preferred charging window times very narrow to try and eliminate this problem and have it set to 60% charge as a max per the pictures. Truck and charger ignore the app and in truck settings and starts charging right away above 90%. What am I missing?

 

[dcfdgaloot]

It is sort of counterintuitive with the preferred setting. By you setting it for only one hour, the vehicle is assuming it won’t complete the requested charge within that timeframe, so it will start earlier than scheduled in order to meet your request. So if you set it for a longer time period, it hopefully won’t do that. It is also dependent on the amperage of the charge station you’re plugged into. Once it knows the juice it can pull, it will adjust accordingly.

I would personally like an option for the vehicle to start when I say so, say 12am and charge til I say done. If it doesn’t reach the target level. Oh well. My fault! I don’t like the vehicle trying to out think me

 

[R.I.P.]

A lot of people complain about the scheduler... not sure if it is buggy or just less-than-intuitive...

 

[Ron]

When I set it to charge to 80% it ignore it and I finds it fully charged

 

[FM_Jack]

Unless they are getting wiped out from an update. Then I'm not sure. I would double up and set your max charge limit to 60 as well. When I first plugged my truck in when I got home, it didn't have the "Home" location so I couldn't set anything. So I used the max limit and that worked. Which made me lament that the Mach E didn't have that.

 

[Leaf to Lightning : )]

I find the truck's 'override' of your Scheduled Charge Timing very aggravating, as it doesn't 'care' what start time you set it at, it starts charging when IT wants to.... that should be a OWNER'S CHOICE, not the truck's...

o.k., having said that, I've found a solution:

A) First, knowing how the truck 'thinks' is key. It took me a while to get it to 'tell' me : ) Here's how the Ford engineers have designed it to 'think' about charging:
1) It wants to know what final Charge Percentage you want it to charge up to
2) Then, it wants to know what START TIME you 'normally' want it to start, and what end time you would like.
..... interestingly, and while you might be led to believe that START and END TIME take precedence, actually the CHARGE PERCENTAGE takes precedence.
...... what this means is that the TRUCK will then do the 'calculations' and decide on it's OWN what time it will 'need' to start to END at the time you wish.

B) If you know then that the truck is adjusting the START time, you have to 'back out' the number of hours the truck might think it needs to charge, to reach your desired Charge Percentage, and figure THAT number of hours into your own timing calculations. HUNH??? O.k., well...

C) What this means is that you will sometimes NOT have the number of hours set for the truck to reach it's goal, and therefore it MAY start charging the moment you plug it in, or BEFORE your set Start Time, if it feels it needs to.

D) SO, here's the answer: PUSH OUT the CHARGE END time:
.... if you have the truck set to Stop Charging at 7 a.m., push the Stop Charge Schedule out to 12 p.m., or even 5 p.m., instead. What this will do is allow the truck to see a Stop Charge time WAY OFF into the future, and therefore it will normally then simply WAIT until your chosen Start Charge time to begin, such as 11 p.m.


o.k., that was a lot to compute, but here's the simply reality: Move out the END CHARGE TIME to many, many, hours later. Your truck will most ALWAYS then only Start Charging at your chosen time, and then YOU can decide when it needs to stop, if it will not, or has not, stopped already at your preferred 'morning' Stop Charging time. The APP makes that an easy function to do: click on the 'Stop Charge' button.



CAVEAT: If you plug in your vehicle BEFORE the chosen END TIME, such as if you plug it in before 7pm, and you have your END TIME set to 7pm, the truck will start charging IMMEDIATELY. Crazy, yes, but what I've found is that FORD engineers do not program the 'Schedule' to care whether it's really a 'start' or 'end' time, but it's simply a TRIGGER. Meaning, if you plug in prior to the 7pm 'end time', which you think is the NEXT day, the truck is actually looking at it as TODAY's time. It will start charging. To SOLVE THIS: Only plug in AFTER the next day's END TIME, meaning After 7pm, in this example.
Confusing, yes, but until FORD decides to provide us owners a much more INTUITIVE Charge Scheduling system, this might be what some will want to do to handle this issue. I DO IT MYSELF: 11pm to 7pm. I only plug in AFTER 7pm each day I plug in.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

I find the truck's 'override' of your Scheduled Charge Timing very aggravating, as it doesn't 'care' what start time you set it at, it starts charging when IT wants to.... that should be a OWNER'S CHOICE, not the truck's...

o.k., having said that, I've found a solution:

A) First, knowing how the truck 'thinks' is key. It took me a while to get it to 'tell' me : ) Here's how the Ford engineers have designed it to 'think' about charging:
1) It wants to know what final Charge Percentage you want it to charge up to
2) Then, it wants to know what START TIME you 'normally' want it to start, and what end time you would like.
..... interestingly, and while you might be led to believe that START and END TIME take precedence, actually the CHARGE PERCENTAGE takes precedence.
...... what this means is that the TRUCK will then do the 'calculations' and decide on it's OWN what time it will 'need' to start to END at the time you wish.

B) If you know then that the truck is adjusting the START time, you have to 'back out' the number of hours the truck might think it needs to charge, to reach your desired Charge Percentage, and figure THAT number of hours into your own timing calculations. HUNH??? O.k., well...

C) What this means is that you will sometimes NOT have the number of hours set for the truck to reach it's goal, and therefore it MAY start charging the moment you plug it in, or BEFORE your set Start Time, if it feels it needs to.

D) SO, here's the answer: PUSH OUT the CHARGE END time:
.... if you have the truck set to Stop Charging at 7 a.m., push the Stop Charge Schedule out to 12 p.m., or even 5 p.m., instead. What this will do is allow the truck to see a Stop Charge time WAY OFF into the future, and therefore it will normally then simply WAIT until your chosen Start Charge time to begin, such as 11 p.m.


o.k., that was a lot to compute, but here's the simply reality: Move out the END CHARGE TIME to many, many, hours later. Your truck will most ALWAYS then only Start Charging at your chosen time, and then YOU can decide when it needs to stop, if it will not, or has not, stopped already at your preferred 'morning' Stop Charging time. The APP makes that an easy function to do: click on the 'Stop Charge' button.



CAVEAT: If you plug in your vehicle BEFORE the chosen END TIME, such as if you plug it in before 7pm, and you have your END TIME set to 7pm, the truck will start charging IMMEDIATELY. Crazy, yes, but what I've found is that FORD engineers do not program the 'Schedule' to care whether it's really a 'start' or 'end' time, but it's simply a TRIGGER. Meaning, if you plug in prior to the 7pm 'end time', which you think is the NEXT day, the truck is actually looking at it as TODAY's time. It will start charging. To SOLVE THIS: Only plug in AFTER the next day's END TIME, meaning After 7pm, in this example.
Confusing, yes, but until FORD decides to provide us owners a much more INTUITIVE Charge Scheduling system, this might be what some will want to do to handle this issue. I DO IT MYSELF: 11pm to 7pm. I only plug in AFTER 7pm each day I plug in.

Good stuff. To be clear, when you do it this way, is it appropriately stopping the charge when it hits the desired SOC?

 

[Justjoe]

FORD! Something to add: I have my scheduled charge time from 10pm to 5am. I discharge my truck to less than 100 miles of range. When I plug in charger the truck calculates that it cannot charge to my 90% target by the 5am stop time so when plugged in it immediately starts charging and stops again when the new calculated charge time WILL reach my 90% target by 5am. It should then start charging again at 10pm BUT, HUGE PROBLEM, the truck schedules the remaining charge time in the NEXT 10pm to 5am window the following day. It skips the first 10pm to 5am window so I wake up with a truck at about 50% charge and waiting to complete the charge at 10pm. My work around is to extend the end charge time to 8am, as written above, but missing a charge session like this can seriously mess up your day.

A better solution is to make the programmed start time a hard target and the end time flexible. In my scenario I could plug in the truck and it would NOT start charging until 10PM and keep charging to my 90% level target even if it exceeds my end time of 5am. Or, better yet, make this customer programmable.
JB

 

[dcfdgaloot]

Good stuff. To be clear, when you do it this way, is it appropriately stopping the charge when it hits the desired SOC?

yes. I do what he does as well. It will stop at the percentage set if reached

 

[TS-lightning]

A) First, knowing how the truck 'thinks' is key. It took me a while to get it to 'tell' me : )

So my question is how did you bond with your truck? Was it via an OBDII? Or just spending all night in it? — Asking for a friend

 

[Kawartha Lightning]

FM_Jack’ work around worked for me (thanks). Namely: Setting both the max or one time charge limit and the preferred settings limit to the same value, in my case 60%. That way the truck doesn’t override and start charging without regard to your preferred charge settings, and, as a bonus, I was able to get it to pre-warm the vehicle without having to charge it at the same time while it’s plugged into the wall charger for the morning. But boy oh boy, you have to work hard to defeat the artificial intelligence and the glitches in the my Ford pass app to get this thing to do very basic things.

 

[Ken buck]

When I set it to charge to 80% it ignore it and I finds it fully charged

I believe that limit only applies at dc chargers?

 

[ChasingCoral]

I believe that limit only applies at dc chargers?

Ford recommends charging to 80% on DCFC and 90% on daily L1/L2 charging. Of course you should charge higher anytime you need the range.

 

[everiklevine]

Can you set the default charge percentage to be something other than 100%? Not talking about the ‘one time only’ setting, I’m asking for all charging, regardless of time or location. My Leaf has that, strange that there is nothing obvious on the Lightning, especially when it is not recommended to charge to 100%.

 

[Justjoe]

Can you set the default charge percentage to be something other than 100%? Not talking about the ‘one time only’ setting, I’m asking for all charging, regardless of time or location.

Check the FordPass on your smartphone. My setting is 90%. I did notice if you DC charge on the road FordPass will send you a message at 80% but it still charges to 90%. There is of course the button to charge to 100% that is always available.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Can you set the default charge percentage to be something other than 100%? Not talking about the ‘one time only’ setting, I’m asking for all charging, regardless of time or location. My Leaf has that, strange that there is nothing obvious on the Lightning, especially when it is not recommended to charge to 100%.

Not currently. Programming is set by location.

 

[everiklevine]

That’s what I thought. Lame.

 

[McQueen]

How about not charging at all? I've attempted to charge with 'Preferred Charge Times' (by location) starting at 00:00-09:00 for 3-nights now, just to wake up with the same battery level!
It's as if the settings are not activating or there's a communication issue with the charger? I'm using a Tesla J1772 Wall Connector (not Ford) charger which works great without preferred charge times "activated".

 

[ChasingCoral]

How about not charging at all? I've attempted to charge with 'Preferred Charge Times' (by location) starting at 00:00-09:00 for 3-nights now, just to wake up with the same battery level!
It's as if the settings are not activating or there's a communication issue with the charger? I'm using a Tesla J1772 Wall Connector (not Ford) charger which works great without preferred charge times "activated".

Try a time other than midnight to see if it helps.

 

[McQueen]

Thank you for the simple suggestion--I will try this tomorrow evening and report back.

I did attempt a test yesterday using a 4pm start time. Once again it did not charge--at least as indicated on the FordPass app... although the wall charger did illuminate green and Truck charge port blue indicating charging. I also noticed the FordPass had a "Charge to 100%" button at the bottom. Pushing this did not appear to influence anything.

Later around 7pm, FordPass still showed 0 miles added; however, FordSync in the Truck displayed 100% charge. I now suspect FordPass communication issues as well as real time accuracy issues.

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