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Couple notes from SOC on his Tesla experience worth pointing out:

1. It looks like Corals 120 kw output is about what to expect. The funny part is that is faster than what most 800v architecture cars will get. Kyle from out of specs has a video on that.
2. Charging cable length is an issue as expected. You almost have to run into the charger or any barriers to get it to reach.



 
The non-Tesla supercharger pricing is about 20% above EA. .52 vs .43. Speed seemed a little slower than EA. The supercharger was a 250. It was charging at about 120 for me with about 60% soc. I usually get around 150 on the EA 350 charger. I wonder if Tesla is throttling? Small sample size though.
I would guess maybe they would throttle just a bit until they get some true testing under their belt. I'm not defending Tesla here, however it seems the vast majority of Lightning owners never report consistent 150 kW charging. I've used DCFC chargers about 6 times, two being EA, and Francis Energy. With low SOC I never got above about 124 kW. My gut really starts to tell me it is Ford that doesn't get a good read on the battery and doesn't ask for more charge during the session. I guess time will tell.

What really makes me believe this is that so many report difference experiences at the same charging stop moving between levels of EA chargers. It should truly be 100% consistent based on SOC and environmentals, etc.
 
Two more videos from yesterday’s session:


 
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So is the Tesla charger to CCS adaptor already attached, or do you have to bring your own?
The CCS adapter is the heart of the "Magic Dock" installed in these updated V3 Superchargers. Watch the videos and you will see how it is mounted.
 
The CCS adapter is the heart of the "Magic Dock" installed in these updated V3 Superchargers. Watch the videos and you will see how it is mounted.
After using, does it seem to you like it would make sense/more sense to just make a 6' NACs to CCS adapter that we could buy, and make all the superchargers work without adding a magic dock?
 
I’m pretty impressed with Teslas implementation of the Magic dock! I couldn’t quite grasp how it would work prior to using. The CCS adapter only releases from the dock when called for. Business as usual if not needed. It’s pretty trick! I don’t Think Tesla wants to sell a CCS adapter for use on superchargers. They want to control the process of where the non Teslas can charge. They don’t want a run of non teslas on their chargers.
 
After using, does it seem to you like it would make sense/more sense to just make a 6' NACs to CCS adapter that we could buy, and make all the superchargers work without adding a magic dock?
Yeah, I think so. Strangely, I think Tesla missed an opportunity here. How many of us bought a really expensive Tesla Tap (btw, they don’t work with the Super Charger - it does not convert you to the DC CCS interface)? I’m sure the same number would have bouget an adapter/extension cord directly from Tesla thus saving them the time/expense of retrofitting all their SuperChargers and still not solving the cable length issue. 🤷‍♂️
 
Yeah, I think so. Strangely, I think Tesla missed an opportunity here. How many of us bought a really expensive Tesla Tap (btw, they don’t work with the Super Charger - it does not convert you to the DC CCS interface)? I’m sure the same number would have bouget an adapter/extension cord directly from Tesla thus saving them the time/expense of retrofitting all their SuperChargers and still not solving the cable length issue. 🤷‍♂️
I think the retrofit gets them NEVI money as one of the requirements would be the CCS1 plug, but yes seems like a missed opportunity in the meantime for them to cash in. Maybe we should start up a poll, how much would you pay for a 6' Tesla Supercharger to CCS1 plug adapter. . .
 
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Tesla laid out their supercharger control pretty explicitly in the March 1st investor day presentation.

No, third party adapters will never work with their system. No, adapter cables are never going to work with their system. The roll out of the magic dock is meticulously planned to do exactly what they wanted to do, and not anything they don't want it to do. In the presentation they laid out not only how strictly supercharger access control and routing is presently, but ways it is going to be even more controlled in the future (i.e. Tesla vehicles automatically reserving supercharger slots they are in route to).

With Tesla, software is king. Without the software overlay on specific stands (the magic docks), no third party is going to be allowed to tap into their network.

Tesla is not "missing out" on anything, quite the opposite. This technology has been ready to go for a while, but was not rolled out until Tesla got the concessions it felt it needed from the Biden administration on funding. Now, going forward, it is Tesla's intent to build out infrastructure for "all the rest", while rapidly increasing the "Tesla only" sites to make sure that their customers will not be impacted by the magic dock users. Keep in mind, it costs Tesla 20 to 30% of what it costs everybody else to put in a DCFC site. They could be hard to compete with going forward when it comes to installing these sites. Financially, I can't conceive of a way E.A. or anybody else is going to compete with them. Tesla is positioning itself to be able to wreck the competition with just the turn of a dial (price). Elon had an enormous grin on his face when he spoke of proving that hypothesis with the recent dial twists on model Y pricing.

Having just sold their 4 millionth vehicle, Tesla is now the 800lb gorilla in the room, and they just announced their future domination plans: 20 million vehicles a year.

A whole lot of really good information was put out in the presentation, some of it telegraphing major shifts for the automotive industry when their competitors were just starting to maybe catch up to their tail lights. Switching all low voltage systems to 48 volt lithium may not sound like a lot, but for the engineers and designers in the room, you understand what an earth shaking leap forward this is in the automotive industry.

And that was just one of about 100 really cutting edge things that were announced during that forum. Tesla is eliminating nose-to-tail wiring at a time when others, Ford included, are trying to figure out just how to wire an EV.

Every auto maker in the world is trying to get to where Tesla was. Then Tesla goes and moves the pins.

Happily, those plans now include charging infrastructure for all EVs.
 
No, third party adapters will never work with their system. No, adapter cables are never going to work with their system. The roll out of the magic dock is meticulously planned to do exactly what they wanted to do, and not anything they don't want it to do. In the presentation they laid out not only how strictly supercharger access control and routing is presently, but ways it is going to be even more controlled in the future (i.e. Tesla vehicles automatically reserving supercharger slots they are in route to).

With Tesla, software is king. Without the software overlay on specific stands (the magic docks), no third party is going to be allowed to tap into their network.

Tesla is not "missing out" on anything, quite the opposite. This technology has been ready to go for a while, but was not rolled out until Tesla got the concessions it felt it needed from the Biden administration on funding. Now, going forward, it is Tesla's intent to build out infrastructure for "all the rest", while rapidly increasing the "Tesla only" sites to make sure that their customers will not be impacted by the magic dock users. Keep in mind, it costs Tesla 20 to 30% of what it costs everybody else to put in a DCFC site. They could be hard to compete with going forward when it comes to installing these sites. Financially, I can't conceive of a way E.A. or anybody else is going to compete with them. Tesla is positioning itself to be able to wreck the competition with just the turn of a dial (price). Elon had an enormous grin on his face when he spoke of proving that hypothesis with the recent dial twists on model Y pricing.
I guess in my simple mind, at the end of the day the "magic dock" is a software controlled adapter. I don't see a reason why Tesla couldn't manufacture a software controlled adapter to be sold to someone with a CCS1 vehicle. Many of us would buy this for a few/several hundred dollars to bridge the gap, Tesla would be able to charge us a premium for fast charging, and still get Fed money to install the magic docks to bring it up to NEVI requirements, making this adapter pointless at that point. I realize this is chump change to Mr. Twitter, but it sure would help some of us in fast charger deficient areas.
 
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Tesla laid out their supercharger control pretty explicitly in the March 1st investor day presentation.

No, third party adapters will never work with their system. No, adapter cables are never going to work with their system. The roll out of the magic dock is meticulously planned to do exactly what they wanted to do, and not anything they don't want it to do. In the presentation they laid out not only how strictly supercharger access control and routing is presently, but ways it is going to be even more controlled in the future (i.e. Tesla vehicles automatically reserving supercharger slots they are in route to).

With Tesla, software is king. Without the software overlay on specific stands (the magic docks), no third party is going to be allowed to tap into their network.

Tesla is not "missing out" on anything, quite the opposite. This technology has been ready to go for a while, but was not rolled out until Tesla got the concessions it felt it needed from the Biden administration on funding. Now, going forward, it is Tesla's intent to build out infrastructure for "all the rest", while rapidly increasing the "Tesla only" sites to make sure that their customers will not be impacted by the magic dock users. Keep in mind, it costs Tesla 20 to 30% of what it costs everybody else to put in a DCFC site. They could be hard to compete with going forward when it comes to installing these sites. Financially, I can't conceive of a way E.A. or anybody else is going to compete with them. Tesla is positioning itself to be able to wreck the competition with just the turn of a dial (price). Elon had an enormous grin on his face when he spoke of proving that hypothesis with the recent dial twists on model Y pricing.

Having just sold their 4 millionth vehicle, Tesla is now the 800lb gorilla in the room, and they just announced their future domination plans: 20 million vehicles a year.

A whole lot of really good information was put out in the presentation, some of it telegraphing major shifts for the automotive industry when their competitors were just starting to maybe catch up to their tail lights. Switching all low voltage systems to 48 volt lithium may not sound like a lot, but for the engineers and designers in the room, you understand what an earth shaking leap forward this is in the automotive industry.

And that was just one of about 100 really cutting edge things that were announced during that forum. Tesla is eliminating nose-to-tail wiring at a time when others, Ford included, are trying to figure out just how to wire an EV.

Every auto maker in the world is trying to get to where Tesla was. Then Tesla goes and moves the pins.

Happily, those plans now include charging infrastructure for all EVs.
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Good points. Their focus on just software and just barely giving in enough to get USG funding is evident on the MagicDock by not extending the cord length. Of course, in doing so, they are only going to be upsetting their own Tesla base when we non-rear-left-hand-side charge port folk show up and block two spots.
I would contend that even with an adapter/extension cord they could still limit us non-Teslas with software. In the end, you still need the app to unlock the charger.
 
I guess in my simple mind, at the end of the day the "magic dock" is a software controlled adapter. I don't see a reason why Tesla couldn't manufacture a software controlled adapter to be sold to someone with a CCS1 vehicle. Many of us would buy this for a few/several hundred dollars to bridge the gap, Tesla would be able to charge us a premium for fast charging, and still get Fed money to install the magic docks to bring it up to NEVI requirements, making this adapter pointless at that point. I realize this is chump change to Mr. Twitter, but it sure would help some of us in fast charger deficient areas.
I guess to answer your question, you have to delve a little bit into the "Tesla way." When they decide to, they swap out/upgrade equipment faster than just about anybody on the planet. Head-spinning how quickly they just put in a 50+ station SC here locally. Based on how Tesla operates, I just believe that an "extension cable" would seem far too sloppy for them to let that happen. If Tesla decides that longer cables are needed for its magic docks, that will just happen; literally overnight. Tesla likes things clean; adapters and extension cables aren't "clean."

Tesla has acknowledged that accommodations need to be made for vehicles needing longer cables, to include trailer towing. Maybe these massive stations that they are putting in, even in rural Oregon are the answer; obviously even with dozens of cars charging you can just pull in sideways and charge up.
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I am pulled in sideways blocking a number of podiums while towing a trailer, and am obviously not hurting anybody lol.
 
Looks like Sutherlin Or? Just use the EA right next to those superchargers. Faster and cheaper! ;)

Do I see Magic docks that aren’t activated yet?
Yes, Sutherlin. Those EA, like many, are very hit & miss. Same price (well, penny difference) & no, EA is not faster than a V3 SC. If you roll a real lucky dice with one of the "350s" it will match a V3, but I have yet to see one do it personally.

On the other hand, I have had one solitary SC fail me in 10 years.

Given the side-by-side option like Sutherlin, choice is easy for me.
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I guess to answer your question, you have to delve a little bit into the "Tesla way." When they decide to, they swap out/upgrade equipment faster than just about anybody on the planet. Head-spinning how quickly they just put in a 50+ station SC here locally. Based on how Tesla operates, I just believe that an "extension cable" would seem far too sloppy for them to let that happen. If Tesla decides that longer cables are needed for its magic docks, that will just happen; literally overnight. Tesla likes things clean; adapters and extension cables aren't "clean."

Tesla has acknowledged that accommodations need to be made for vehicles needing longer cables, to include trailer towing. Maybe these massive stations that they are putting in, even in rural Oregon are the answer; obviously even with dozens of cars charging you can just pull in sideways and charge up.
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I am pulled in sideways blocking a number of podiums while towing a trailer, and am obviously not hurting anybody lol.
This Tesla Supercharger station at the Morongo Casino has the best setup for towing a trailer and there isn't even a CyberTruck yet!

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