[THEsocalledfan]

Hmmm..... let's hope it's a little better highway than that. That's not quite enough for high speeds in a cold climate where there are few chargers. This is disappointing.

 

[GDN]

What happened to the media embargo lift today. I expected some real world number and videos and I've missed them. Even went specifically looking and haven't found them. I figure real world numbers are still going to cause some eye pops and not for the best of reasons.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

What happened to the media embargo lift today. I expected some real world number and videos and I've missed them. Even went specifically looking and haven't found them. I figure real world numbers are still going to cause some eye pops and not for the best of reasons.

Lifts tomorrow

 

[GDN]

Lifts tomorrow

Thanks - was thinking it was today.

 

[jamesklafehn]

Hmmm..... let's hope it's a little better highway than that. That's not quite enough for high speeds in a cold climate where there are few chargers. This is disappointing.

Its a brick going down the highway at high speed. You cant be disappointed. Its been talked about for years. You must not be an EV driver currently.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

Its a brick going down the highway at high speed. You cant be disappointed. Its been talked about for years. You must not be an EV driver currently.

Not an EV driver. This is the first EV I've ever considered as it is a real truck, not a toy truck like rivian. Folks need to understand that your will never get mass adoption in the north central part of the country unless this improves. We have cold weather, high speeds, and long distances to cover and trucks are our preferred vehicles. There are very, very few DC chargers....I was hopeful highway might make 300 miles when 320 overall was announced. I'll probably still get it and see if I can make it work, but I live in a metro area with 2 interstates.

 

[GDN]

Not an EV driver. This is the first EV I've ever considered as it is a real truck, not a toy truck like rivian. Folks need to understand that your will never get mass adoption in the north central part of the country unless this improves. We have cold weather, high speeds, and long distances to cover and trucks are our preferred vehicles. There are very, very few DC chargers....I was hopeful highway might make 300 miles when 320 overall was announced. I'll probably still get it and see if I can make it work, but I live in a metro area with 2 interstates.

So most by now should or must understand this is not a typical EV, Ford threw a battery and electric motors in their current truck. I'm 100% glad they did - don't get me wrong. I like it because it looks like a truck. However, this truck is not for anyone that wants more than a few hundred miles and much less when cold or when towing. The stats have been there from the git go. It will be another several years to get a real half ton truck with 350+ miles when cold and towing. Or we may never get there for years. EV adoption is not for everyone just yet.

 

[2023 lighting]

283 is a real ouch. Realistically that's 250 between charges. It is disappointing. So towing a trailer at highway speed could look like 125 miles.
The ER is good for daily driving. I don't see how standard range would be of use to most people.

Glad I'm not an early reservation because the jury is still out for me. I still love the truck. This isn't exactly a Tesla made to be lightweight. Trucks are called gas guzzlers for a reason. Trucks are heavy and not aerodynamic, gas or electric.

 

[CDT]

Not an EV driver. This is the first EV I've ever considered as it is a real truck, not a toy truck like rivian. Folks need to understand that your will never get mass adoption in the north central part of the country unless this improves. We have cold weather, high speeds, and long distances to cover and trucks are our preferred vehicles. There are very, very few DC chargers....I was hopeful highway might make 300 miles when 320 overall was announced. I'll probably still get it and see if I can make it work, but I live in a metro area with 2 interstates.

If you live in a metro area most likely you don’t need a “real truck.” Like most people who buy the crew cab short bed.
’m not sure why you consider the Rivian a toy truck. It doesn’t work for me because of the short bed but otherwise it looks like a beast.
Try monitoring the mileage you drive most often and I bet you’ll see it’s shorter than you may think. I know that’s what I found when I started driving EVs.
I think Ford has done a great job with this. I look forward to getting one.

 

[CDT]

Does anyone know off the top of their head how they test the highway mileage? I’d like to know what speed it is.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

If you live in a metro area most likely you don’t need a “real truck.” Like most people who buy the crew cab short bed.
’m not sure why you consider the Rivian a toy truck. It doesn’t work for me because of the short bed but otherwise it looks like a beast.
Try monitoring the mileage you drive most often and I bet you’ll see it’s shorter than you may think. I know that’s what I found when I started driving EVs.
I think Ford has done a great job with this. I look forward to getting one.

Rivian is too small.... I'm 6' 4" and 250.... I've always not liked small trucks, cars, etc. Ill never own one. Even mach-e too small for my liking. (I only get full size cars when renting even.... leg room is a big big deal to me. ) Waiting for a nice full size ev sedan I can afford surg good range, too. (Hoping lucid figures that one out at affordable price point. )

I drive sioux falls to Fargo probably 10 times a year. Most in the fall, early winter. Yes, it will be wonderful for about everything else, which is why I'm interested, but I will be regularly white knuckling range on that drive. Check out plug share for dc chargers on that interstate route if you want a good laugh.

 

[Fryballin]

Based on Rivian testing by Out of Spec, I believe the lightning will do the EPA estimated range of 320 even on the highway at 70 MPH. The Rivian they tested did really close to the 300 miles of range it was estimated to do, and a lot of what I have read on the Mach-E's is that the EPA range is up to 10% less than the vehicles actual range. Also the Lightning has a slightly smaller useable battery than the Rivian but has higher EPA estimated range which means there has to be some type of difference in efficiency. May have to do with Rivian having 4 electric motors versus just the two on the Lightning.We'll know for sure in just a few hours when the embargo lifts. My biggest concern is will the Lightning actually hit FORD's advertised DCFC rate and get from 15% to 85% or whatever in like 41 minutes. If it can do that, and go 300 miles on the Highway, then I think its a big success. Maybe later they release updates that get that charging time down from 41 minutes to 35 or something. It could happen if FORD loosens the charging curve to keep a higher rate going for longer during charging sessions.

 

[FM_Jack]

Rivian is too small.... I'm 6' 4" and 250.... I've always not liked small trucks, cars, etc. Ill never own one. Even mach-e too small for my liking. (I only get full size cars when renting even.... leg room is a big big deal to me. ) Waiting for a nice full size ev sedan I can afford surg good range, too. (Hoping lucid figures that one out at affordable price point. )

I drive sioux falls to Fargo probably 10 times a year. Most in the fall, early winter. Yes, it will be wonderful for about everything else, which is why I'm interested, but I will be regularly white knuckling range on that drive. Check out plug share for dc chargers on that interstate route if you want a good laugh.

I'm curious about the scenario they ran to get those numbers. Kyle from Out of Spec I'm sure wasn't able to do something for this recent event and I don't know when he'll get his hands on one to try it out. Like I commented before, in the Mach E if I behave I can keep my mi/kwh around 3.3-3.5 with mostly highway driving. If I don't, 2.5 and that's a difference of doing 70 mph vs 82-85. And the Mach E is designed to be more aerodynamic.

The next truck Ford is doing to be an ev probably will be smaller and similar to the Rivian. I think the motors are available for Heavy Duty trucks but the batter capacity isn't.

 

[FM_Jack]

My biggest concern is will the Lightning actually hit FORD's advertised DCFC rate and get from 15% to 85% or whatever in like 41 minutes. If it can do that, and go 300 miles on the Highway, then I think its a big success. Maybe later they release updates that get that charging time down from 41 minutes to 35 or something. It could happen if FORD loosens the charging curve to keep a higher rate going for longer during charging sessions.

As Kyle from Out of Spec noted, that the software update Rivian pushed in the last couple of weeks unlocked that high charge rate but it wasn't consistent because the battery wasn't cooled fast enough. He could hear the fans kick on to catch up but they never could to maintain that peak charge. Since the Lightnings max tow package has an extra cooling loop for the battery, I hope they are programming it to kick in to maintain a high rate of charge (hopefully learning from others including Rivian). That high charge rate doesn't matter if the battery can't remain cooled. I will be interested in Kyle's numbers when they test that as well.

 

[CDT]

Aerodynamics plays a huge role. I like what Ford has done with this truck but I wish they had done more to give it a lower drag coefficient. Even Rivian missed the boat. It looks like Chevy is taking aerodynamics a little bit more seriously with a Silverado EV. That’s where you will see big gains in range. My wife’s EQS is amazingly efficient due to the shape.
My advice, if you want to maximize the range drive a bit slower. I’m talking 70 instead of 75.

 

[palbajwa11]

Not an EV driver. This is the first EV I've ever considered as it is a real truck, not a toy truck like rivian. Folks need to understand that your will never get mass adoption in the north central part of the country unless this improves. We have cold weather, high speeds, and long distances to cover and trucks are our preferred vehicles. There are very, very few DC chargers....I was hopeful highway might make 300 miles when 320 overall was announced. I'll probably still get it and see if I can make it work, but I live in a metro area with 2 interstates.

Truck owner for most of my life since I am legal to drive. And that is about 26 years. Both trucks are just opposite to each other but I want both. Rivian is great replacement for lifted and souped up Rubicon and lighting is replacement of my 3.5 inch lifted ram 1500 with hemi. Since I can't afford both would love to stick with lighting if Dealer don't play games and mark up on delivery day plan B is Rivian and honestly won't freak out about not driving Lightning.

 

[palbajwa11]

Aerodynamics plays a huge role. I like what Ford has done with this truck but I wish they had done more to give it a lower drag coefficient. Even Rivian missed the boat. It looks like Chevy is taking aerodynamics a little bit more seriously with a Silverado EV. That’s where you will see big gains in range. My wife’s EQS is amazingly efficient due to the shape.
My advice, if you want to maximize the range drive a bit slower. I’m talking 70 instead of 75.

CHEVY is least efficient than other 2 trucks you are talking about. 200kwh vs 131 Ford and 135 Rivian. Why no one care about battery size. It's like my ram goes 550 miles vs yours only 400 miles per fill up. But my tank is 32 gallons vs yours 22 gallons only.

 

[BK1]

Rivian is too small.... I'm 6' 4" and 250.... I've always not liked small trucks, cars, etc. Ill never own one. Even mach-e too small for my liking. (I only get full size cars when renting even.... leg room is a big big deal to me. ) Waiting for a nice full size ev sedan I can afford surg good range, too. (Hoping lucid figures that one out at affordable price point. )

I drive sioux falls to Fargo probably 10 times a year. Most in the fall, early winter. Yes, it will be wonderful for about everything else, which is why I'm interested, but I will be regularly white knuckling range on that drive. Check out plug share for dc chargers on that interstate route if you want a good laugh.

What’s the Supercharger network like on your route? Although he didn’t confirm the timeframe, Musk confirmed in an interview today with the Financial Times that Tesla will be adding connections for the “rest of the industry” to the Supercharging network around the world, and specifically stated the US is included.

(at 1:04ish)

 

[Obi66]

Rivian is too small.... I'm 6' 4" and 250.... I've always not liked small trucks, cars, etc. Ill never own one. Even mach-e too small for my liking. (I only get full size cars when renting even.... leg room is a big big deal to me. ) Waiting for a nice full size ev sedan I can afford surg good range, too. (Hoping lucid figures that one out at affordable price point. )

I drive sioux falls to Fargo probably 10 times a year. Most in the fall, early winter. Yes, it will be wonderful for about everything else, which is why I'm interested, but I will be regularly white knuckling range on that drive. Check out plug share for dc chargers on that interstate route if you want a good laugh.

Totally agree with you about the Rivian. I'm 6'4" as well and currently drive a 2019 F150 Lariat. It's the most comfortable car I've ever owned. I sat in a Rivian at one of their events and I do fit in it, but.... it's tight for me. And my seat has to be all the way back, which limits rear seat space. And the 4.5 ft bed is small.
I do visit a family lake house near Alexandria MN - about an hour east of Fargo, so I've mapped those chargers in ND and SD. They are few and far between and I agree there will some white knuckling if I try to cross from Wyoming.
Let's hope the highway range is closer to 300 in real life.