[2023 lighting]

Just saw this article. Appears North Carolina intends to curb free charging or limit access as much as possible.
The article from Autoblog

i somewhat see where they're coming from but clearly very far reaching with the private business regulations.

 

[FM_Jack]

i somewhat see where they're coming from but clearly very far reaching with the private business regulations.

 

[RDale]

This is pretty backwards thinking considering that in North Carolina VinFast is going to be spending $4 billion for an EV and battery plant while Toyota is spending $1.29 billion to build their own battery plant.

VinFast To Invest $4B In New EV And Battery Plant In North Carolina

The site in Chatham County will build electric cars, buses and batteries, creating up to 7,500 jobs when the full capacity of 250,000 EVs a year is reached.

insideevs.com

Toyota to build $1.29 billion EV battery plant in North Carolina, create 1,750 jobs

Toyota expects the facility to be capable of producing enough lithium-ion batteries for 200,000 vehicles when production begins in 2025.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Ford Thunder]

That's what you get for electing Regressives to the position of power.

 

[EFX4]

I guess it's because of a loss of tax revenue that would have come from gas purchases. Assuming that's it, charging a fee around $150 as a registration fee could help. Not the greatest idea but better than this.

 

[VTbuckeye]

Section 2: Providing free fuel to all vehicle users....To make a mockery of this, other fuels for the public should fill at the same energy rate as EV charging. 6kw level 2 charging stations should have an equal number of pumps and fill at an mpge equivalent (1 gallon of gasoline=33.7kwh). 6kwh/33.7kwh per gallon*3785ml/gallon /60 minutes per hour =11.23ml per minute (2.25 teaspoons). If it is a 50kw DCFC = 93ml per minute. Maybe it is a 150kw DCFC so 279ml per minute (9.5 ounces), but make the pump behave like a DCFC, so make it start at 9 ounces per minute tapering to 2 or 3 ounces per minute... This solution is not part of the bill, but would be fitting for equality in fueling.

 

[worksdc]

I guess it's because of a loss of tax revenue that would have come from gas purchases. Assuming that's it, charging a fee around $150 as a registration fee could help. Not the greatest idea but better than this.

NC charges an EV tax on registrations to "replace" gas tax. Unfortunately, it's a flat rate and not based on use like gas tax. They could simply calculate the tax based on odometer at the already required annual inspection, but that would make sense...🤔

 

[VTbuckeye]

NC charges an EV tax on registrations to "replace" gas tax. Unfortunately, it's a flat rate and not based on use like gas tax. They could simply calculate the tax based on odometer at the already required annual inspection, but that would make sense...🤔

I agree with a mileage based system. We have three cars and go between 15k and 20k miles between the three of them. Flat rate "use" fees do not make sense. Maybe it is time to take away the gas tax and add a mileage based fee to all vehicles.

 

[2023 lighting]

I don't get how we as a country developed such a strong desire to tell others what they can can't and will do.
So people want to drive electric vehicles. Is that really a "problem" worth lawmakers focusing on? It's pretty wild these are the issues we tend to focus on!

 

[VTbuckeye]

II never f

I don't get how we as a country developed such a strong desire to tell others what they can can't and will do.
So people want to drive electric vehicles. Is that really a "problem" worth lawmakers focusing on? It's pretty wild these are the issues we tend to focus on!

I never figured out how my driving an EV is offensive to someone else? These are not being forced on anybody. The cost is often higher. Is it jealousy? Some kind of phobia like if I park next to them, their car might miraculously grow a traction battery and start filling its gas tank at 15 miles per hour? As far as politics goes... I have no idea. When a party espouses staying out of people's business and let them make their own decisions, but they really mean stay out of my business and don't do anything that I don't approve of. It's like sound bites and memes have taken over in place of thoughtful discussion.

 

[Super Duty]

NC charges an EV tax on registrations to "replace" gas tax. Unfortunately, it's a flat rate and not based on use like gas tax. They could simply calculate the tax based on odometer at the already required annual inspection, but that would make sense...🤔

That does seem like a reasonable way to approach this. Especially for people who don'y have large commutes.

 

[EFX4]

NC charges an EV tax on registrations to "replace" gas tax. Unfortunately, it's a flat rate and not based on use like gas tax. They could simply calculate the tax based on odometer at the already required annual inspection, but that would make sense...🤔

I guess we shouldn't be surprised, that approach is typical of most other things they do.
Meanwhile many regions in Europe and China are well ahead in the EV race. Too bad we have a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Ford Thunder]

Some elected officials get large contributions from big oil, it's their way of showing they've been bought and should continue the flow of gravy into their pocketbooks.

 

[Voltz]

I agree with a mileage based system. We have three cars and go between 15k and 20k miles between the three of them. Flat rate "use" fees do not make sense. Maybe it is time to take away the gas tax and add a mileage based fee to all vehicles.

Virginia is offering this starting July 1st.

Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles

Welcome to the official site of the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles, with quick access to driver and vehicle online transactions and information.

www.dmv.virginia.gov

 

[Super Duty]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised, that approach is typical of most other things they do.
Meanwhile many regions in Europe and China are well ahead in the EV race. Too bad we have a lot of catching up to do.

Just looks at charging maps like the one Ionity has is so depressing compared to what's available in Canada.

MAP & STATUS

 

[corradoborg]

What an absurd case of regressive virtue signaling this bill is! The hilarious part is how easily it will be to circumvent it if it becomes law. A business with a charging location could simply enact a fee of a single cent for the entire charging session, and the law would not apply to them, as their charging location would no longer be "free of charge." Businesses could even allow people to pay their cent from the "need a penny, take a penny" tray (and the business could stock the tray themselves), making the charge free in practice. And that's exactly the kind of malicious compliance I live for!

Here's the part I don't get: "Section 5 demands the state's general fund give the DOT $50,000 "for the purpose of removing any electric vehicle charging stations that do not comply with the provisions of this act." This part of the bill, according to the bill, goes into effect on July 1 regardless of whether the bill becomes law. The rest of the bill needs to wait for the proper legislative process, like the governor's signature into law, to take effect."

Um... no. That's not how bills work. That's not how lawmaking works. There's no way it's legal to make a bill that says "part of this bill takes effect even if the bill is not passed."

 

[2023 lighting]

Here's the part I don't get: "Section 5 demands the state's general fund give the DOT $50,000 "for the purpose of removing any electric vehicle charging stations that do not comply with the provisions of this act." This part of the bill, according to the bill, goes into effect on July 1 regardless of whether the bill becomes law. The rest of the bill needs to wait for the proper legislative process, like the governor's signature into law, to take effect."

I think the reason for the state removing chargers is the result of a federal mandate. Charging cannot take place at rest stops due to it being categorized as commerce. A long standing law which prevents gas stations and fast food from building facility at rest stops too. An article about this. It was recently decided car charging will kot be allowed at rest stops nationwide. Separately it was just announced car charging will available at 50 mile intervals. This is how the fed operates...

FYI toll roads operate under different law because they were not built with federal money.

 

[corradoborg]

I think the reason for the state removing chargers is the result of a federal mandate. Charging cannot take place at rest stops due to it being categorized as commerce. A long standing law which prevents gas stations and fast food from building facility at rest stops too. An article about this. It was recently decided car charging will kot be allowed at rest stops nationwide. Separately it was just announced car charging will available at 50 mile intervals. This is how the fed operates...

FYI toll roads operate under different law because they were not built with federal money.

Even if that were the only reason for that section of the bill - and I'm fairly certain it's not - that's not the problem I have with it.

Legislators cannot make a bill undefeatable by including language that circumvents the legislative process.