[ChasingCoral]

Clipper Creek is jumping on the 2-EV household market.

They're offering trade-ins to get folks to replace their single chargers.

Upgrade your HCS to the HCS-Dual and charge two cars simultaneously with just one station. The HCS-D mounts to the same bolt pattern and utilizes the same service, making the upgrade easy and affordable. Click here to see a short swap-out video! Replace your HCS with a Dual and earn $250 back! Learn more at: clippercreek.com/trade-up More about the ClipperCreek Dual Charging Stations Our Dual charging stations are not only great for busy commercial installs but also for families with two or more EVs. And the best part? With the same footprint as our single HCS, swapping out for a Dual is simple! The HCS-D splits power between two vehicles. Our HCS-D40 provides up to 16 Amps to each vehicle when two are charging and up to 32 Amps when one vehicle is charging. The HCS-D50 provides 20 Amps to each vehicle simultaneously or 40 Amps when one vehicle is charging.​

FAST – Up to 9.6kW of power to charge two cars quickly ECONOMICAL – Double charging capacity without infrastructure upgrades DURABLE – Rugged, fully sealed NEMA 4 enclosure for installation indoors or outdoors RELIABLE – Backed by ClipperCreek’s best in class warranty and outstanding customer service​ [TD] ​ ​

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[Leaf to Lightning : )]

nice idea, as we move forward to more 'dual' EV households - a single outlet, a single EVSE, dual outputs... with our New PHEV Kia Sorento, our current all-EV LEAF, and the coming all-EV Lightning, this is appealing, although we already have two 240v outlets in the carport, and an existing 240v Level 2 EVSE, to go with the coming Ford Level 2 charger. The Leaf will be someone else's when the Lightning arrives. Cheers!

 

[Vandy1981]

I think Grizzl-E has had a similar dual tap EVSE for a a couple of years called the Duo but I'm glad to see another company catering to multi-EV households.

The Tesla Wall connector and Juicebox Pro have the ability to share a circuit between multiple units.

The Ford charge stations don't have this capability, which I hope they'll fix with a software update someday.

We don't have enough headroom to add another 50 amp circuit in the garage so I need to use a load sharing setup. I've used a Juicebox for years so will stick with them for a dual charger setup.

 

[palbajwa11]

3 Evs in stable never need more than one Ev Charger. You will be fine as long as your week is planed with rest of household drivers. In case threre is DC fast charger around the corner 15 minutes of charge gave you enough to cover quick run around.

 

[palbajwa11]

I think Grizzl-E has had a similar dual tap EVSE for a a couple of years called the Duo but I'm glad to see another company catering to multi-EV households.

The Tesla Wall connector and Juicebox Pro have the ability to share a circuit between multiple units.

The Ford charge stations don't have this capability, which I hope they'll fix with a software update someday.

We don't have enough headroom to add another 50 amp circuit in the garage so I need to use a load sharing setup. I've used a Juicebox for years so will stick with them for a dual charger setup.

New EVs come with scheduling feature. You can plug in multiple EVs and schedule different timing to charge. All you need 3 Nema 14 50 plugs. You can charge at least 3 EVs at 8 hour per ev scheduled every day. That is extremely rare when all your 3 cars are doing 150 mile commute every day.

 

[VTbuckeye]

We have one and a half EVs. Our garage layout dictates two EVSEs. It is actually easier to manage the full EV compared to the PHEV. EV can go days without charging. PHEV wants to charge daily. Biggest complaint from me is that phev goes to sleep after an hour or two. Time of use evse turns on after about 4 hours. If I don't lock or unlock the car it does not wake up enough to start charging. If I forget I don't have the time in the morning for a full charge. Daily drive uses about 85 percent of capacity. It will be great to have two full EVs. We will likely keep the PHEV for long trips and drives with more than 5 people.

 

[HellBoy]

We have 1 EV, 1 PHEV and adding the Lightning - the PHEV chargers on a 16A, EV on 40A & Lightning will charge on a 70A - can run everybody at the same time

 

[palbajwa11]

We have 1 EV, 1 PHEV and adding the Lightning - the PHEV chargers on a 16A, EV on 40A & Lightning will charge on a 70A - can run everybody at the same time

Just charging lightning alone at 70 Amp is impossible for most of households. To charge all 3 you mentioned simultaneously need 200 Amp main panel that's is not very common for average house. And need 2 sub pannles 80Amp for current vehicles and 100 Amp for Lightning. Is it do able yes? Question is how much you would like to spend for this luxury?

 

[Leaf to Lightning : )]

From a general overview, America is probably in that timeframe where any new home will certainly have a minimum of 200amp service, whether it actually will ever need it or not, and many other homes in this country will have less than that... it's just a transition, since Air Conditioning came into play as the expected part of our daily lives. Now the infrastructure and electrical for the amperage needs for providing charging to battery-vehicles is going to escalate a similar path. 200amp panels might not be the 'norm' even soon into the future.

As for charging electrical needs today, I think most any home with a 200amp 240v main service will have no issues with current charging amperage and profiles of our onslaught of new EVs, even with owners moving toward 'gas less' homes. A typical 16-30amp 240v EVSE has no issues under these circumstances, even with two vehicles charging at the same time, and both needing ALL of the power they can get. That's only a maximum of 60amps between two vehicles, even in the heat of the day, with two air conditioner systems running, you're still only near 120amps of requirement. You have 80amps left, or 160amps of 120v power, which is what most all other needs are within the home. If the water heater kicks on, or you need the Oven, or stove top, you'll draw more during that short time, but those are minimal draws, and usually very temporary.

Those who are looking to move up to a HUGE charging option, like the 80amp 240v maximum PRO CHARGER, they might have to make different considerations, but I'll bet those owners already expected that. Most of us don't, and will probably never, need anything CLOSE to that just to charge our vehicles.

 

[Leaf to Lightning : )]

for me, personally, I will have a 1/2 EV, the new Kia Sorento PHEV, which uses the simple J1772 16amp EVSE, or really could simply use a standard household outlet since the battery is small, and the LIGHTNING will use the included Mobile Charger, at 30amps, for regular, everyday, overnight charging. Unless I'm using the truck for HUNDREDS of miles, there will certainly be no need for anything more. Those miles would be VERY rare, and having a DC Fast Charger along the path would be the choice, rather than spending tons of dollars on 'faster' home charging options that RARELY would ever be needed, or used. Even if your area utility has a 'time of use' type of discount for overnight charging, I suspect the small difference between having some, or all, of your charging even without that would never come close to the expense some have reported when it comes to installation of the 80amp charger, etc.

 

[HellBoy]

Just charging lightning alone at 70 Amp is impossible for most of households. To charge all 3 you mentioned simultaneously need 200 Amp main panel that's is not very common for average house. And need 2 sub pannles 80Amp for current vehicles and 100 Amp for Lightning. Is it do able yes? Question is how much you would like to spend for this luxury?

My house was built brand new designed to support all of this - it wasn't installed but wired-ready. I also have support for solar panels baked into the design.

 

[VTbuckeye]

We are adding solar panels to our roof. At that time we will upgrade to 200 amp service. A heat pump may be in our future for AC/heat (currently window ac unit and natural gas hear/hot water). The 200 amp panel will go in the garage and the current 100 amp feed from the meter to current load center will go into the 200 amp panel. 80 amp lightning evse will go into 200 amp panel (immediately adjacent) and 2 current 30 amp EVSEs will go into the 200 amp panel, freeing spaces in the 100 amp panel/60 amp sub panel (some tandem breakers and maybe one or two empty spots currently). Enphase iq10 batteries will go in the basement next to the 100 amp panel.

This fall I had a couple occasions with a bolt, xc40 EV and xc90 phev all charging at the same time 30+30+16. Luckily it was in the overnight hours with maybe an extra 600 watts of other loads, so maybe an hour or two of 19 kw total, but frequently we would draw 14 to 15kw for a few hours overnight. 2x30amp on 100 amp service can work, just make sure you are not charging during high use times.

 

[Leaf to Lightning : )]

yep, and if I were building a house today, I would certainly make plans for those future needs, and try to think of the direction that this is going...

it reminds me of my current home, built in '79, various owners over the years, but the likelihood of ever needing the many 'phone outlets' this home has is quite unlikely for the future, matter of fact, they probably haven't been used in YEARS, yet they are still here - they take up wall space, removing them means having to 'repair' a hole, or having to replace the missing 'floor trim' that was installed around it, etc. Hopefully what we do now will not so impact future owners. This home also has 'push to talk' speakers in every room - it was the 'thing' at the time! Those have huge holes to take care of if and when you even decide to remove them, so, like me, most previous owners have just been content to leave them be. Oh Well.

 

[GDN]

Just charging lightning alone at 70 Amp is impossible for most of households. To charge all 3 you mentioned simultaneously need 200 Amp main panel that's is not very common for average house. And need 2 sub pannles 80Amp for current vehicles and 100 Amp for Lightning. Is it do able yes? Question is how much you would like to spend for this luxury?

Definitely different for older vs newer and geographically diverse houses. I'm in a 54 year old house in Dallas and it was built with 200 amp server and likely every house built since that timeframe around here have that as a minimum too. I'd almost go on record saying the number that don't have 200 amp service in this area is very small.

Depending on the layout of the house and electrical I'm not sure of any need for sub panels either. My panel happens to be in the garage so that helps, but I'm running a 2000 sq ft house with central HVAC, oven, pool, a 40 amp charger and a 60 amp charger. Wiring of my chargers each was about 2 hours and 15' of wire plus their breaker to be added to the box.