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Sales: 330-752-8815
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o I went to the dealer site to see what my trade is worth and sent in pictures of my 2015 Honda Pilot. My Pilot is costing me $300-325 a month in gas right now.

They valued my trade in at $16,951 and with financing at 1.75% my car payment over 60 months would be $382.

I just wish it wasn't white.

Now I just have to convince the wife and have this kinda deal closer to home VA MD PA NC.

If it's was silver, or iced blue I would drive to OH to make the deal.
 

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I think you'll find blue Monroney stickers are demo/mannequin/FCTP dealer program vehicles. Dealers can't sell sell them now without incurring penalties for breach of their agreement with Ford.

Customer orders have green where the blue is. Open for correction if blue stickers also include dealer inventory.
 

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I think you'll find blue Monroney stickers are demo/mannequin/FCTP dealer program vehicles. Dealers can't sell sell them now without incurring penalties for breach of their agreement with Ford.

Customer orders have green where the blue is. Open for correction if blue stickers also include dealer inventory.
Thanks I know all that I was just posting this for information out there. But I did contact the dealer and the sales manager to see if this is a actual demo or maybe maybe dealerships can order cars without customer orders and they plan to sell them I'm not sure I'll let everybody know when I find out.

But as far as the financing piece goes at least I know what my payment might look like and that's a good thing for me.
 

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yep, can't be sold for a very long time... also, while we on these forums tend to think that we are the only one's seeing this LIGHTNINGS, I'll bet that the vast majority of LIGHTNING order owners are not on these forums, and almost none of the dealers are - so there are plenty of LIGHTNINGS on dealer lots and in owner's hands, already - we just don't know about them.
 

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remember, too, that it's certainly assured that NO Ford Dealer will be selling these 'demo' units for anything CLOSE to MSRP.... you'll probably change your mind quickly when they actually give you a 'final' price.... it's laughable what they're already asking.... if you don't have an order for one, good luck.
 

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I assume I will have to place an order in the next round of ordering. Whenever that is. But I also like to think that maybe a dealer will sell a pro model at MSRP after 6 months maybe?? Maybe
 

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Looks like real pictures located in

Ken Ganley Ford
2835 Barber Road
Barberton, OH 44203
Sales: 330-752-8815
Service: 330-752-1374
Parts: 330-247-5315



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o I went to the dealer site to see what my trade is worth and sent in pictures of my 2015 Honda Pilot. My Pilot is costing me $300-325 a month in gas right now.

They valued my trade in at $16,951 and with financing at 1.75% my car payment over 60 months would be $382.

I just wish it wasn't white.

Now I just have to convince the wife and have this kinda deal closer to home VA MD PA NC.

If it's was silver, or iced blue I would drive to OH to make the deal.
If you go to auto trader.com there are quite a few posted. Just to give an idea of what the mark up is here is one of them. Crazy!
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Looks like real pictures located in

Ken Ganley Ford
2835 Barber Road
Barberton, OH 44203
Sales: 330-752-8815
Service: 330-752-1374
Parts: 330-247-5315



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o I went to the dealer site to see what my trade is worth and sent in pictures of my 2015 Honda Pilot. My Pilot is costing me $300-325 a month in gas right now.

They valued my trade in at $16,951 and with financing at 1.75% my car payment over 60 months would be $382.

I just wish it wasn't white.

Now I just have to convince the wife and have this kinda deal closer to home VA MD PA NC.

If it's was silver, or iced blue I would drive to OH to make the deal.
If you go to autotrader.com there is a decent amount on there. To give an idea of the mark ups I found this Pro…… Crazy!!!
 

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It's that way on cars.com as well and I've already viewed AutoTrader. It's really kind of stupid because the dealers have been told by fours that they're being watched. I think Ford will eventually stop selling to dealers who are doing all this stupid crazy markups and only go with either one per state or regional dealerships with dealers they know they can work with and will follow the rules.
 

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If you go to auto trader.com there are quite a few posted. Just to give an idea of what the mark up is here is one of them. Crazy!
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If you go to autotrader.com there is a decent amount on there. To give an idea of the mark ups I found this Pro…… Crazy!!!
Sorry for the double post. Phone glitch!
It's that way on cars.com as well and I've already viewed AutoTrader. It's really kind of stupid because the dealers have been told by fours that they're being watched. I think Ford will eventually stop selling to dealers who are doing all this stupid crazy markups and only go with either one per state or regional dealerships with dealers they know they can work with and will follow the rules.
The hardest part for Ford is they still need dealers to sell their products. And in some areas Ford dealers are few and far between. They can slap a fine for selling over MSRP but it is just that. A “suggested” retail price. I saw a dealer that posted their mannequin for $108k and the picture even says mannequin on it. Their are even Lariats going for $118k. They are all posted with VINs so you can pull the window sticker. I haven’t found one yet that is actually shipped except the ones with Blue window stickers that are mannequins.
 

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I originally had my reservation with another Fred Beans Ford but I moved it months ago because they gave me a bunch of sleazy double talk when I asked them about honoring MSRP and told them I wouldn’t complete the order without a signed buyers order price commitment. The salesman oozed the sleazy stereotype about how there was no problem and they’d surely work everything out when the truck arrived.

I found a small dealership nearby that was COMPLETELY the opposite. They committed to MSRP without reservation and produced the buyers order without delay. Truck is supposed to arrive next week so hopefully the deal will close, but I have zero patience for BS games. No $500 nitrogen tire fills or $1500 lojack.
If you go to auto trader.com there are quite a few posted. Just to give an idea of what the mark up is here is one of them. Crazy!
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If you go to autotrader.com there is a decent amount on there. To give an idea of the mark ups I found this Pro…… Crazy!!!
 

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I originally had my reservation with another Fred Beans Ford but I moved it months ago because they gave me a bunch of sleazy double talk when I asked them about honoring MSRP and told them I wouldn’t complete the order without a signed buyers order price commitment. The salesman oozed the sleazy stereotype about how there was no problem and they’d surely work everything out when the truck arrived.

I found a small dealership nearby that was COMPLETELY the opposite. They committed to MSRP without reservation and produced the buyers order without delay. Truck is supposed to arrive next week so hopefully the deal will close, but I have zero patience for BS games. No $500 nitrogen tire fills or $1500 lojack.
Nice! I hope it all goes well for you. Let me know when you get it!
 

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It's funny Ford is an international brand but the experience and pricing at any given locally/regionally owned Ford can vary wildly.
It will be very interesting to see if Ford meaningfully punishes the dealers selling mannequins. Listing those trucks that aren’t even on the lot yet is really a finger in Ford’s eye. The legacy dealer model is under stress and it will be interesting to see where the chips fall.

As always, buyer beware.
 

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The legacy dealer model is under stress and it will be interesting to see where the chips fall.
Unfortunately, ironclad dealer franchising agreements make it really hard to vote the bad boys off the island. In many ways, the dealers run the manufacturers.
 

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Unfortunately, ironclad dealer franchising agreements make it really hard to vote the bad boys off the island. In many ways, the dealers run the manufacturers.
It appears Ford has the power to limit what they send these dealers. So long as supplies are constrained it seems Ford can punish them.
 

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It will be very interesting to see if Ford meaningfully punishes the dealers selling mannequins. Listing those trucks that aren’t even on the lot yet is really a finger in Ford’s eye. The legacy dealer model is under stress and it will be interesting to see where the chips fall.

As always, buyer beware.
I believe there is a $25k penalty for selling the mannequins without having a replacement available to use as a new mannequin. Ford will know and can punish for this.
 

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I spoke to one dealer who said that is Ford's punishment for any new model when it comes out like it was the same for the Mach-e. but then the dealer said there are ways to get around MSRP pricing by if a order is delivered and customer does not want to buy. Then it wasn't a demo so no six months wait, and they say they are going to sell them over MSRP. The dealer was in Richmond VA.
 

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Sure, if a customer doesn’t complete the order then the dealer is free to sell the truck for whatever they want. This means dealers have a perverse incentive to piss off reservation holders into abandoning the order. It seems that smaller dealers, who tend to care more about their customers and reputation, are less willing to engage in this short term play. On the flip side it seems that larger volume dealers could give a crap knowing that most buyers are basically fools who are enticed by big lots, cheesy gimmicks and advertising.

I spoke to one dealer who said that is Ford's punishment for any new model when it comes out like it was the same for the Mach-e. but then the dealer said there are ways to get around MSRP pricing by if a order is delivered and customer does not want to buy. Then it wasn't a demo so no six months wait, and they say they are going to sell them over MSRP. The dealer was in Richmond VA.
 
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