[tomprout]

Can someone kindly measure the mobile charging cable from the end of the charger unit to the plug. Thanks

 

[Voltz]

There are two plugs. Twenty feet (12 feet suggested usable) from charger to J1772, not specified to NEMA 14-50P. The pdf at this link may help:

https://www.ford.com/ntzlibs/content/dam/bev/us/september-2020-updates/install-specs-sheet/Home_Install_Spec_Sheet_0831_FINAL.pdf

 

[THEsocalledfan]

There are two plugs. Twenty feet (12 feet suggested usable) from charger to J1772, not specified to NEMA 14-50P. The pdf at this link may help:

https://www.ford.com/ntzlibs/content/dam/bev/us/september-2020-updates/install-specs-sheet/Home_Install_Spec_Sheet_0831_FINAL.pdf

From watching those state of charge videos, the adapters are only a bit more than a foot so not much more from the 20' mentioned above.

This brings up another question for me. It is better to buy an NEMA 14-50 extension cord or a J1772 extension cord?

 

[208]

From watching those state of charge videos, the adapters are only a bit more than a foot so not much more from the 20' mentioned above.

This brings up another question for me. It is better to buy an NEMA 14-50 extension cord or a J1772 extension cord?

Extension cords of any type are not recommended, but I have never seen or heard of a j-1772 extension cord..?

 

[THEsocalledfan]

Extension cords of any type are not recommended, but I have never seen or heard of a j-1772 extension cord..?

I've already found a nema 14-50 cord that should be safe. See:

Amazon.com

I have not researched this one like above, but here is a J1772 extension cord:

Amazon.com: Inteset 21ft 40amp J1772 EV Extension Cord, Made in USA - for Electric Vehicle Charging Stations, Carrying Bag, Ultra-Flex Cable, UL Listed Parts… (21 Feet) : Automotive

Buy Inteset 21ft 40amp J1772 EV Extension Cord, Made in USA - for Electric Vehicle Charging Stations, Carrying Bag, Ultra-Flex Cable, UL Listed Parts… (21 Feet): Charging Stations - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

 

[208]

I've already found a nema 14-50 cord that should be safe. See:

Amazon.com

I have not researched this one like above, but here is a J1772 extension cord:

Amazon.com: Inteset 21ft 40amp J1772 EV Extension Cord, Made in USA - for Electric Vehicle Charging Stations, Carrying Bag, Ultra-Flex Cable, UL Listed Parts… (21 Feet) : Automotive

Buy Inteset 21ft 40amp J1772 EV Extension Cord, Made in USA - for Electric Vehicle Charging Stations, Carrying Bag, Ultra-Flex Cable, UL Listed Parts… (21 Feet): Charging Stations - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

That's awesome, thank you for posting that. A weapon to fight back against icing.😎👍👍

 

[THEsocalledfan]

That's awesome, thank you for posting that. A weapon to fight back against icing.😎👍👍

For me, I have parents and in-laws with their dryer outlets near their garages; hoping to park in their garage, and charge on their dryer outlet using something like this....

 

[208]

For me, I have parents and in-laws with their dryer outlets near their garages; hoping to park in their garage, and charge on their dryer outlet using something like this....

Yeah, whereas EV and evse makers will say extension cords not recommended, 1450 extension cords are used with RVs all the time with no issues, and I have used them successfully over the years. I think the caveat is mostly because the manufacturer can't control what people do with extension cords, and sometimes people do some pretty silly things.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

Yeah, whereas EV and evse makers will say extension cords not recommended, 1450 extension cords are used with RVs all the time with no issues, and I have used them successfully over the years. I think the caveat is mostly because the manufacturer can't control what people do with extension cords, and sometimes people do some pretty silly things.

Oh, no doubt on that and part of why I've been leaning 1450. Clearly, they are justifiably worried about fire risk, but key is not buying a cheapo cord...need heave gage and well insulated like the one I posted.

 

[Leaf to Lightning : )]

I'm coming from many years in the RVing world too, and still own 3 campers, us and two of our boys at college on their own RV lots. Our former motorhome was 50amp 240v and our current campers are all 30amp 120v.

This is where the fun begins: when you have a 50amp motorhome, with two roof air conditioners on 20amp breakers for each, a large Inverter/Charger, and all the interior amenities, a microwave especially. We learned over a very short period of traveling that having MANY different adapters and extension cords was key, when a 50amp outlet was not available.

Although, I'll admit that even now I realize that EV charging is different. The main change is that motorhomes don't necessarily pull 50amps on both legs of 240v power at the same time Continuously, or rarely do, if ever, but the mobile EVSE does draw continuously, at least at 30amps. The heat generated in the wiring can certainly be more pronounced and prolonged, and therefore would make one more cautious to the extensive use of 'extension cords' and additional in-line junction boxes and female and male plugs. Of course, there are times when it makes sense, I'll use one at one of my son's camper sites since I won't be able to park close enough for the EVSE cord to reach, but that's not a long-term solution.

I think Ford is smart to use the NEMA 14-50 as the go-to outlet. It is designed for 50amp 240v service, and designed to 6/3AWG wiring, suitable for 50amps of continuous load. While the EVSE will only be close to 30amps on each leg, this gives breathing room for the heat to dissipate easily and never be a concern.
In another situation, I might use an existing 30amp double-pole breaker in a pinch, or for a temporary solution via an existing DRYER outlet. It's also not a long-term thing, though it make work just fine, especially if the outside temps are not already adding to the wiring's own ambient temperature.

 

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I'm coming from many years in the RVing world too, and still own 3 campers, us and two of our boys at college on their own RV lots. Our former motorhome was 50amp 240v and our current campers are all 30amp 120v.

This is where the fun begins: when you have a 50amp motorhome, with two roof air conditioners on 20amp breakers for each, a large Inverter/Charger, and all the interior amenities, a microwave especially. We learned over a very short period of traveling that having MANY different adapters and extension cords was key, when a 50amp outlet was not available.

Although, I'll admit that even now I realize that EV charging is different. The main change is that motorhomes don't necessarily pull 50amps on both legs of 240v power at the same time Continuously, or rarely do, if ever, but the mobile EVSE does draw continuously, at least at 30amps. The heat generated in the wiring can certainly be more pronounced and prolonged, and therefore would make one more cautious to the extensive use of 'extension cords' and additional in-line junction boxes and female and male plugs. Of course, there are times when it makes sense, I'll use one at one of my son's camper sites since I won't be able to park close enough for the EVSE cord to reach, but that's not a long-term solution.

I think Ford is smart to use the NEMA 14-50 as the go-to outlet. It is designed for 50amp 240v service, and designed to 6/3AWG wiring, suitable for 50amps of continuous load. While the EVSE will only be close to 30amps on each leg, this gives breathing room for the heat to dissipate easily and never be a concern.
In another situation, I might use an existing 30amp double-pole breaker in a pinch, or for a temporary solution via an existing DRYER outlet. It's also not a long-term thing, though it make work just fine, especially if the outside temps are not already adding to the wiring's own ambient temperature.

Ford is just using the 14-50 because it was established as a defacto mobile approved connector in legal battles Tesla waged a number of years ago.

It's been too long since I read the findings, but government regulators refuse to allow connections above 110 volts because they were not approved for "mobile vehicle" use. Tesla went to war in court arguing that a recreational vehicle was by definition a mobile vehicle, so the 1450 should be allowed for their early EVSEs. Tesla won, and here all these years later it is the OEM de facto standard. Another way Tesla paved the way for all of us.
😎

 

[ChasingCoral]

For me, I have parents and in-laws with their dryer outlets near their garages; hoping to park in their garage, and charge on their dryer outlet using something like this....

The real question is how often you'll be doing this. If you're talking a couple of charging sessions a year, you're probably fine with a heavy duty 14-50 extension cord. However, if you don't already have the extension cord or will use their plugs more often, I'd recommend buying the J-1772 extension cord instead.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

The real question is how often you'll be doing this. If you're talking a couple of charging sessions a year, you're probably fine with a heavy duty 14-50 extension cord. However, if you don't already have the extension cord or will use their plugs more often, I'd recommend buying the J-1772 extension cord instead.

You have a good one you'd recommend? I need it for when I first get my truck too.....

 

[tomprout]

There are two plugs. Twenty feet (12 feet suggested usable) from charger to J1772, not specified to NEMA 14-50P. The pdf at this link may help:

https://www.ford.com/ntzlibs/content/dam/bev/us/september-2020-updates/install-specs-sheet/Home_Install_Spec_Sheet_0831_FINAL.pdf

Thanks!

 

[ChasingCoral]

Here's a couple of photos from a Mach E owner that serve as a warning against 14-50 extension cords. He was only using a 12" pigtail to reach his outlet from the spot he considered the best for mounting the EVSE.

Mind you, this was for the charger he used daily. Even so, it makes me wary of using such an extension cord.

 

[Jerm2006]

So yes, I will second this as a caution to use the RV NEMA 14-50 extension cords. Check out the failure I had doing this for a while with my Tesla. This happened just from the slight slop in the connector to the extension, and if there is any movement, a permanent connection may cause melting and possibly fire. I will say some of the J1772 extensions shown above where they connect via J1772 on each side may be a better cable.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

So, can anyone recommend a good J1772 extension cable? I'm going to need it when my truck first arrives, and when staying at my parents or in-laws to get at their dryer plugs. (I'd think this would be a common issue so folks would know?)

 

[Voltz]

get at their dryer plugs

Check out the size of that circuit before you plug in a 30A Ford Mobile into it. Either that or use an EVSE that you can dial down to 24A.

If it has a 14-50R and a 40A or 50A breaker, you should be fine. Legacy 30A receptables and the similar to 14-50 looking 14-30R, I wouldn't. Things may get pretty hot even though it may not trip a 30A breaker.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I ordered a 20' J-1772 extension cord from Lectron a few days ago. It's currently on sale at $188 with free shipping.

Lectron J1772 Extension Cord - 20ft/6m - Compatible with All J1772 EV Chargers - Flexible Charging for Your Vehicles

Lectron J1772 EV Charger Extension Cable 20ft. Support up tp 40A charging. Compatible with Level 1 and 2 charger with J1772 Connectors.

ev-lectron.com

You can get another 10% off using discount code CHARGE10. $169 delivered.

It arrived today.

It's cord up and running for a test

Much thicker cord than the one that came with my Clipper Creek 24A! Perfect for 80A charging.