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Hey folks,

Just joined this forum, I'm up to three of them now tracking and reading everyone's excitement and anxiety over this new truck and new method of making sales leads turn into orders.

I was invited in the wave-3, order input and submitted for a Lariat-ER+Max Tow in Iconic Silver, the order summary shows no price deviation from MSRP listed up front.

Been trading emails with the internet sales manager, and he's not said anything yet about a massive markup.

He did say that two other customers have also submitted orders and they have been accepted for production.

I'm waiting on a few clarifications, if they stay at no markup, then I told him to push the button to accept, otherwise I want to meet him and GM for a frank discussion about markup values.

The story shall continue........
 

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Congrats, keep in mind Ford recommends that all customers agree to a selling price with their dealer when an order is placed via a signed Purchase Agreement. This might help shake out in hidden fees.
 

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Hey folks,

Just joined this forum, I'm up to three of them now tracking and reading everyone's excitement and anxiety over this new truck and new method of making sales leads turn into orders.

I was invited in the wave-3, order input and submitted for a Lariat-ER+Max Tow in Iconic Silver, the order summary shows no price deviation from MSRP listed up front.

Been trading emails with the internet sales manager, and he's not said anything yet about a massive markup.

He did say that two other customers have also submitted orders and they have been accepted for production.

I'm waiting on a few clarifications, if they stay at no markup, then I told him to push the button to accept, otherwise I want to meet him and GM for a frank discussion about markup values.

The story shall continue........
Welcome to the forum @taxmanhog! It's good you're getting everything in writing with these emails. How has your experience been dealing with this dealer so far?
 

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Welcome to the forum @taxmanhog! It's good you're getting everything in writing with these emails. How has your experience been dealing with this dealer so far?
I have not had the opportunity to get to the dealership in person with recent nasty weather, but have traded emails back and forth.

Nothing specific, one stating I and the salesman should talk on the phone to set expectations before I walk in the door at the dealership, he can answer any questions I have, which were clearly requested in prior emails but not answered in subsequent replies, that evasiveness is not a good sign!

I plan to call Monday afternoon, repeat my specific requests regarding markup, administrative charges, no dealer add-ons, I want a draft of the agreement with all details layed out, then set a date to sign, I want ink on paper and want to see them update the system to acceptance and load my contract and D/L into WBDO.

If this does not goes as I hope it will, then no signature and I will request they decline my offer to buy, return my deposit and move on. I have two alternate dealers willing to do a reasonable deal on standby, a little bit more of a drive but worth it to send a message to all these dealers that your not jerking me around.

Word of advice to any folks still at this stage of the game or still waiting for Wave 4/5/6, mind what happen on web builder, and get hard Sales Agreement /s/ otherwise walk!
 

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If this does not goes as I hope it will, then no signature and I will request they decline my offer to buy, return my deposit and move on. I have two alternate dealers willing to do a reasonable deal on standby, a little bit more of a drive but worth it to send a message to all these dealers that your not jerking me around.
No advice, just a question. If the dealer simply goes ahead accepts the order you have entered, wouldn't this put you at the back of the reservation line if you walk away from it? In other words, the dealer gets a Wave 3 Lightning for their inventory.

Even though there are a couple threads about this, there are a couple different nuances here. I'm not sure how this dealer change situation plays out after the dealer accepts the order and before production is scheduled.
 

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No advice, just a question. If the dealer simply goes ahead accepts the order you have entered, wouldn't this put you at the back of the reservation line if you walk away from it? In other words, the dealer gets a Wave 3 Lightning for their inventory.
I'm not an expert , but from all that I have been reading on three forums and 3 FB groups, the dealer moving the order proposal to accepted stage does them no good unless they secure a copy of my drivers license and a signed Purchase Agreement from me on the deal and it must be uploaded into Fords build ordering system, otherwise they will reject the order, so they can not steal my opportunity to post an order.

This seems to be the method by which FORD Customer Service is able to move my order to a more cooperative dealer with more reasonable terms. In effect we the smart an tenacious customers have control if we exercise our rights and seek the help from the MOCO.

from the Ordering FAQ
"Only order requests that are accepted (either online or offline) will be selected for production scheduling. Customer vehicle delivery is subject to execution of a Purchase Agreement between you and your Dealer"
 

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No action by the dealer........

Spoke to 800-334-4375 (option 2, Lightning, Lightning) the representative confirmed my current dealer needs to REJECT my offer to purchase.

The lightning hot line open until 8pm EST.

Next step is dealer f2f with the general manager, get the facts straight from the horse's mouth we either make a deal or or they must REJECT my offer to buy at MSRP.

Then I need to call 800-334-4375 and seek a transfer to another dealer of my choosing.

This is absolutely frustrating and not in the spirit of what CEO Jim Farley is expecting!
 

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the dealer moving the order proposal to accepted stage does them no good unless they secure a copy of my drivers license and a signed Purchase Agreement from me on the deal and it must be uploaded into Fords build ordering system, otherwise they will reject the order, so they can not steal my opportunity to post an order.
I see the difference in our circumstances. The dealer I chose--who promised over the phone 'no ADM'--required a 'physical presence' (license and my reservation email with a signature) before they would accept my future order through the online portal.

Sales guy made sure I was a local. FWIW, I am a repeat customer. I planned on placing my order, calling the dealer for acceptance, and not have to go to the dealer again until the truck arrived. In the intervening months, the good advice circulated to secure a purchase order from the dealer before allowing them to accept an online order from reservation conversion. I intend to build the truck on paper and take it to the dealer if I ever catch one of the waves 🌊.

My reservation number is in the 108145XX range from 5/19 before the reveal event ended. I haven't heard anything from Ford or the dealer.
 

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In the intervening months, the good advice circulated to secure a purchase order from the dealer before allowing them to accept an online order from reservation conversion. I intend to build the truck on paper and take it to the dealer if I ever catch one of the waves 🌊.
Good plan, but on the day or shortly after you get you wave offer, schedule a meeting with the salesman, when the sales manager is also available firm the final deal in words. Then take five minutes log onto your reservation, finish the specifications and transmit the order, 5 minutes later (maybe sooner/or/later) they will be able to pull up your offer and finish the Buyers agreement and scan everything into the order for submission to ROVP.

You will be able to continue tracking via ford web site as it moves to Production scheduling, built, shipped, ready for delivery.

OTOH

If you let the salesman & sales manager convert you manually and input all your specification, then you lose the tracking features and have to rely on manual communications with your salesman. (correct me if I have this wrong)

Years ago when I spec'd my special build of my F250, I never heard from the salesman again, and it was like pulling teeth to get information from anyone short of calling the sales manager and general manager, turn over rate with the sales folks is high and you lose that direct connection, hopefully your salesman sticks around to keep you informed
 

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Massachusetts buyers, take a look at your build sheet, does it show the 8550# GVWR Package?

I hope it does as your truck needs to show 8501# or more to qualify for the MORE-EV-TRUCKS REBATE of $7500

What you see here is a Lariat-ER with Max Tow Package.

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Massachusetts buyers, take a look at your build sheet, does it show the 8550# GVWR Package?

I hope it does as your truck needs to show 8501# or more to qualify for the MORE-EV-TRUCKS credit of $7500

What you see here is a Lariat-ER with Max Tow Package.

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I'm in TX, just for reference, I have the same truck, but I added the AT tires, my GVWR package shows 8400#.
 
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I'm in TX, just for reference, I have the same truck, but I added the AT tires, my GVWR package shows 8400#.
That is interesting and thanks for a cross check, yours also has the MAX TOW ?

I just hope the door jam sticker reflects my higher number.
 

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Correct - I added Max Tow.
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That is interesting, hopefully others will chime in with what they are seeing for particular build, I'd expect the AT tires to be a bit heavier
 

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I'm still waiting for MOR-EV-Trucks to respond to my inquiry, but in the meantime I got word from my sales manager that the ROVP was approved, now to sit back and wait for a truck to come later this summer. New vanity plate approved by Mass DMV with a Lightning theme
 

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Turning this thread to the top for awareness of new Massachusetts members, share your experiences applying for the MOR-EV TRUCK CREDIT here. Hopefully I will be successful applying for this credit at the end of the month if/when my truck arrives!

If there are any members who have already taken delivery in Mass and have a qualifying truck, let us know how you're making out with the application process.
 
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