[GDN]

With no ICE we know they'll have to move to an electric set up for heating and cooling. I've found very little about this, however I assume the Mach-E would give me insight to this. Unfortunately for me I've not followed the Mach-E at all.

Anyone have the details? I'm truly hoping they learned from others and this thing has a heat pump vs inductive heating which is a huge hit to the battery/range.

 

[JBlanco]

I just checked and the Mach-E has resistive heating like my 2014 Volt. It's supposed to be less efficient than a heat pump but works in extreme temperatures.

 

[Vandy1981]

The MME uses a resistive heating system. I would assume that this will also hold true for the F150L given their preference to repurpose as many ICE F150L components as possible to keep the price and development costs as low as possible.

 

[GDN]

I would guess they use the same too, however it is very disappointing to hear. The resistive heaters are a very hard knock on the range/battery during cold weather. I drive a Model 3 today, Tesla made big improvements by moving to a heat pump. These are some of the things I'm very worried about moving backwards with Ford. They have to start to watch around them and have better research.

The heat pumps are performing well even in the coldest temps. Maybe a dual system with resistive backup or something would be best, but in an EV the most critical thing for engineers to work on is efficiency - any way they can get it.

 

[ChasingCoral]

The Mach E uses resistance heating with a small amount of heating from the battery and related components. Heat pumps have value but it isn't as much as most people think. They lose efficiency rapidly in low temperatures. Having driven my Mach E since February, I've seen the heater and A/C use both. Neither hits the range really hard. These vehicles also have a fairly long range, so in normal/daily use most folks are unlikely see an impact.

 

[2023 lighting]

I've wondered about this too and was unable to find any information. I assume the app will allow user to preheat/cool the cab of truck while still plugged in. Ideally with the ability to schedule automaticly say for a half hour before leaving for work.

I guess the only time it would be an issue is when a long trip would demand full battery capacity.

 

[GDN]

I hope they have some good smarts built into the app or at least open the API to the truck. There are several 3rd party sites for Tesla you can hook up your credentials for your account and then you have access to schedule things like charging, pre-heating each morning before commute etc. Tesla has integrated most of these things, but it has taken a few years for it all to involve and understand what owners want to use. I'm hopeful Ford is thinking ahead and covers it all.

Even if you need a full battery you can get the heater turned on a few minutes before you need to leave and it should use "shore power" to do the heating with.

The resistive heaters can have enough impact most will turn the heat down and really make use of the seat heaters to offset the hit to battery/range. The AC and now heat pump are both very efficient, much more efficient over the resistive heater.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I've wondered about this too and was unable to find any information. I assume the app will allow user to preheat/cool the cab of truck while still plugged in. Ideally with the ability to schedule automaticly say for a half hour before leaving for work.

I guess the only time it would be an issue is when a long trip would demand full battery capacity.

Yes, the FordPass app allows you to schedule any location with information on the times of day during which the vehicle can charge and what time you leave each day. It will charge the vehicle during the desired period and pre-condition the inside of the vehicle, seat heaters, and steering wheel heater so it is warm or cool for your departure. By having your vehicle plugged in, it will pre-condition using "shore power", thus keeping your battery fully charged and ready to depart. You can also use the remote start to precondition the vehicle at other times and places, so that it is comfy when you arrive.

You can program the charging times yourself or have the car match the charging needs to the cheapest rates if you have time of day metering.

 

[jojo]

[QUOTE=" Heat pumps have value but it isn't as much as most people think. They lose efficiency rapidly in low temperatures".

Home heat pumps are the same, not very effective on pulling heat from outside air when super cold...house heat pump starts to lose around 25 degrees, it says -10, but not really.

 

[FM_Jack]

I found that the heated seats in the Mach E are really good. And if you start the car while it is plugged in and give it 5-10 minutes you can turn them off and not need them for your drive (depending on how far you go and how well you retain heat). Steering wheel is great too.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I found that the heated seats in the Mach E are really good. And if you start the car while it is plugged in and give it 5-10 minutes you can turn them off and not need them for your drive (depending on how far you go and how well you retain heat). Steering wheel is great too.

Agreed. I almost never go above level 1 heat on the heated seats because they are so warm. They really reduce the need for cabin heating.

 

[ChasingCoral]

And for some real-world heat pump stories:

Tesla owners are again losing heat in extreme cold as some heat pumps are failing badly

Tesla owners are again losing heat in extremely cold weather as some heat pumps are failing badly. The problem was...

electrek.co

 

[teaguem32_8269]

Ok, I see all these posts about the heater. I live in Phoenix, az. What about the A/C?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Ok, I see all these posts about the heater. I live in Phoenix, az. What about the A/C?

Yes. They have A/C. What more did you want to know?

 

[GDN]

Ok, I see all these posts about the heater. I live in Phoenix, az. What about the A/C?

It is an electric AC unit. Pretty efficient, at least in other EV's to date.

 

[HellBoy]

I just checked and the Mach-E has resistive heating like my 2014 Volt. It's supposed to be less efficient than a heat pump but works in extreme temperatures.

Best design is the one Hyundai implemented - heat pump + resistive heating back up, so you can get all the benefits from the heat pump between -10C and up and still be warm in lower temps.

 

[ChasingCoral]

It is an electric AC unit. Pretty efficient, at least in other EV's to date.

Yes, A/C generally has less impact on BEV range than heat.

 

[HellBoy]

And for some real-world heat pump stories:

Tesla owners are again losing heat in extreme cold as some heat pumps are failing badly

Tesla owners are again losing heat in extremely cold weather as some heat pumps are failing badly. The problem was...

electrek.co

Yep this is an ongoing issue that has not been resolved even though Tesla keeps saying it's a software issue LOL - a friend of mine dumped his Model Y because it just couldn't heat up the cabin in extreme cold - this is a real safety issue when you are out in the Canadian prairies and its -40C / feels like -50C outside....he bought an Ionic 5.

 

[Voltz]

Ok, I see all these posts about the heater. I live in Phoenix, az. What about the A/C?

If you get the Mysterious Mr. Mad Max Tow package, you may get two A/C compressors. I don't think anyone knows how they will be hooked up, or if the extra one does cabin climate, or if there is a separate third compressor for climate. Every Ford I've owned has had awesome A/C here in steam country.

 

[teaguem32_8269]

Yes. They have A/C. What more did you want to know?

How well it works constantly when driving?