[jeffrat]

Im considering ordering a lightning but not sure it's going to work for me. I live in a rural part of Southern California my town only has one rapid charger. Thats one concern I have but think Ill be able to put the fast charger in my garage. But routinely comuter 150 miles through the Mojave desert with rolling hills and Ac running the entire time.T here are some rapid chargers along the way. But really dont want to ad 40 minutes to my commute to stop and charge. Any input on if I could possibly do the commute one way with out stopping and charging? Thanks any input would be appreciated..

 

[vincere]

You'll definitely want an extended range. Also, several options for faster home charging to let it gain full charge overnight. Sounds like you are looking at a single short stop to charge on the way back if you can't plug it at your destination. I'd look into ways to plug in at point of origin (house full charge overnight) and the destination (wherever it is you are going while your doing whatever you got to do).

 

[ChasingCoral]

Im considering ordering a lightning but not sure it's going to work for me. I live in a rural part of Southern California my town only has one rapid charger. Thats one concern I have but think Ill be able to put the fast charger in my garage. But routinely comuter 150 miles through the Mojave desert with rolling hills and Ac running the entire time.T here are some rapid chargers along the way. But really dont want to ad 40 minutes to my commute to stop and charge. Any input on if I could possibly do the commute one way with out stopping and charging? Thanks any input would be appreciated..

Is your commute 150 miles one way or round trip?

 

[jeffrat]

Is your commute 150 miles one way or round trip?

Its a 150 each way not really a commute but my second home I go to often..

 

[jodgey]

You'll definitely want an extended range. Also, several options for faster home charging to let it gain full charge overnight. Sounds like you are looking at a single short stop to charge on the way back if you can't plug it at your destination. I'd look into ways to plug in at point of origin (house full charge overnight) and the destination (wherever it is you are going while your doing whatever you got to do).

That’s the ideal. Here’s a question that I’m sure has been answered elsewhere, how long is it taking you guys to go from 15 to 80%, it took me under 20 minutes to charge the Tesla today. That’s a drive thru cheeseburger, an email check, or a quick episode of stranger things while you wait.

 

[jeffrat]

You'll definitely want an extended range. Also, several options for faster home charging to let it gain full charge overnight. Sounds like you are looking at a single short stop to charge on the way back if you can't plug it at your destination. I'd look into ways to plug in at point of origin (house full charge overnight) and the destination (wherever it is you are going while your doing whatever you got to do).

The extended battery at 10k is going to put the truck out of my budget. with the basic battery I would have to stop and charge each way or do you think it would make the 150 miles on a full charge under those conditions? The commute is to my second home, usually stay there for a week or so. Tons of high speed chargers all over town once I get here.

 

[208]

Im considering ordering a lightning but not sure it's going to work for me. I live in a rural part of Southern California my town only has one rapid charger. Thats one concern I have but think Ill be able to put the fast charger in my garage. But routinely comuter 150 miles through the Mojave desert with rolling hills and Ac running the entire time.T here are some rapid chargers along the way. But really dont want to ad 40 minutes to my commute to stop and charge. Any input on if I could possibly do the commute one way with out stopping and charging? Thanks any input would be appreciated..

Do you already have a reservation?

 

[Brew]

The extended battery at 10k is going to put the truck out of my budget. with the basic battery I would have to stop and charge each way or do you think it would make the 150 miles on a full charge under those conditions? The commute is to my second home, usually stay there for a week or so. Tons of high speed chargers all over town once I get here.

You could make it at 60mph but not at 75.

 

[Jerm2006]

150 miles even with the smaller battery will work if you have the ability to charge over night at each house you have. If you are driving there, and needing to come back after only a couple of hours, you will probably have to stop at a DC fast charger. The good thing is, if you plug up to a 220V even for a couple of hours you should have about 50 miles of range when you get there, assume 20miles per hour at 220V, you now have roughly 90-100 miles of range after a couple of hours. This means you will only need to charge about 60 miles to get back home which should only take about 5-15 minutes on a high kW DC fast charger. That no different than stopping for gas, and bathroom break at a leisurely pace. If you get the Long Range, you will be complete good I think. Key here is having 220V charging at both houses I think.

 

[Art p]

State of Charge has a you tube video where he tested the standard range battery in a 70 mph driving test and he got 214miles on the full charge compared to 270 miles on the extended range in the same test. You should be able to make it to your second home with theSR and then you would need a charge to get home.

I have a similar circumstance. Just got a 2022 SR. We have a second home in the mountains about 175 miles from our house that we go to once a month. I am installing a 240 line in the second house so I'll have level 2 charging in both places.

 

[jeffrat]

Do you already have a reservation?

no not yet but might order this week depending on what people have to say about my situation on here.

 

[jeffrat]

150 miles even with the smaller battery will work if you have the ability to charge over night at each house you have. If you are driving there, and needing to come back after only a couple of hours, you will probably have to stop at a DC fast charger. The good thing is, if you plug up to a 220V even for a couple of hours you should have about 50 miles of range when you get there, assume 20miles per hour at 220V, you now have roughly 90-100 miles of range after a couple of hours. This means you will only need to charge about 60 miles to get back home which should only take about 5-15 minutes on a high kW DC fast charger. That no different than stopping for gas, and bathroom break at a leisurely pace. If you get the Long Range, you will be complete good I think. Key here is having 220V charging at both houses I think.

Yes I will have the ability to leave both houses on a full charge, stay longer than just overnight almost always. Thanks for the information sounds like good news.

 

[208]

no not yet but might order this week depending on what people have to say about my situation on here.

That's what I was wondering, because I don't think you understand the process. If you do not have a paid reservation at this point, it is probably going to be a couple of years before you will be able to order.

That gives you plenty of time for research.
😎

 

[ChasingCoral]

That’s the ideal. Here’s a question that I’m sure has been answered elsewhere, how long is it taking you guys to go from 15 to 80%, it took me under 20 minutes to charge the Tesla today. That’s a drive thru cheeseburger, an email check, or a quick episode of stranger things while you wait.

About 40-45 minutes with the Lightning for a similar charge. Not surprising since it is twice as large a battery as your Tesla.

 

[jeffrat]

no not yet but might order this week depending on what people have to say about my situation on here.

I had no idea how important this question was, just got back from the dealership and got laughed at. According to them you can't even order a 2023. Even if I could they selling them for 50k over MSRP and actually had one on the lot that somebody backed out of but asking 150K lol. Sorry for wasting everybody's time but do appreciate the information. Just wish Ford was more honest about the situation and actually what they are selling for.

 

[jeffrat]

That's what I was wondering, because I don't think you understand the process. If you do not have a paid reservation at this point, it is probably going to be a couple of years before you will be able to order.

That gives you plenty of time for research.
😎

Yep you cant order any as of right now and this dealer is selling for 50k over invoice..

 

[THEsocalledfan]

One comment..... considering the heat, to save battery get your car super cooled down while still plugged in before leaving. (Hell id go to 65 before I left with that heat ) then that will save alot of juice.

 

[Brew]

sounds like good news.

Yes, it "sounds" like good news indeed...but I live and travel along the same freeways as you and I've been driving EVs for the past six years and I don't think it's realistic.

We don't have to speculate too much because we know the math. The SR has a 98 kWh battery. The best efficiency you can hope for at freeway speeds is ~2 mi/kwh, which is 196 miles at best. That's without accounting for speeding, elevation changes, wind resistance, weather (A/C or heat...sometimes and heat where you and I live/travel), or battery degradation.

Now, if you're putting along in the slow lane, dodging semis, this won't matter to you much. But if you're trying to keep up with the flow of traffic, which is going to be somewhere in the 80s-90s, you'll be lucky to hit 1.6mi/kwh and might even be looking at 1mi/kwh. That's why I said if you're going to drive at 60mph you'll be fine, but if you drive at 75 (70 mph rural CA highway speed limit + 5mph) you won't be.

I wouldn't risk rolling into a charger with only 5-10miles on the ticker because we just aren't there yet. That charger may or may not be operable. It may or may not deliver anything more than a 20A EVSE could deliver.

I hope people giving you advise understand that you're driving through the Mojave Desert--one of the most inhospitable regions in the world. We're seeing daytime temps of 130F but that's not the worst of it...we're seeing 120F at night. I haven't even mentioned the out-of-the-blue 40+ mph dust storms that can blow a vehicle off the road.

When most folks think of CA they see a meandering freeway up the coastline going through some of our nation's most populous cities. Most have no idea that just 100 miles east there's an entirely different environment that can, and does, literally kill motorists who become stranded in their vehicles and are hours away from recovery/rescue services.

Sorry if this came across as soap boxy or too pessimistic, but if you were asking about committing from OC to SD, for example, I'd suggest you wing it. Given what we know about this truck's efficiency, the battery size, and the state of charging in the US as a whole and the eastern side of rural CA in particular, I'd say you are right up against the margins of safety here. The Mojave Desert isn't a place I would advise anyone to play up against the margins.

 

[208]

Yep you cant order any as of right now and this dealer is selling for 50k over invoice..

Yeah... I was afraid that you were in for the brick-wall treatment when you tried to order. There is a que, and the dealers are largely cut out of the process.

Don't despair. This is your chance to get really dialed in on what these trucks are (Lightning, Silverado EV, ETC). If it really is something you are interested in, you are going about it the right way by getting "smart" on the process, and getting a foot in the door. I was deeply involved in GM's original EV1 vehicle and the fallout, and have been eyeballs deep in the EV world ever since. Everyone has predictions for what will happen in the next 24 months, here is my recommendation.

1. Get a reservation for a Silverado EV. GM is still taking reservations for those.
2. Watch what happens with Ford in the next 12 months. Dealers will not tell you this, but I am betting that Ford will open up the reservations for Lightnings again in 2023. Knowing what you want, and being educated on the process will allow you to be in control of your buying situation. Why get a Silverado reservation now? Because when it comes out, you may want one. If you don't, it is a measly refundable $100. But if you do, well, these reservations are worth gold...

 

[208]

Yes, it "sounds" like good news indeed...but I live and travel along the same freeways as you and I've been driving EVs for the past six years and I don't think it's realistic.

We don't have to speculate too much because we know the math. The SR has a 98 kWh battery. The best efficiency you can hope for at freeway speeds is ~2 mi/kwh, which is 196 miles at best. That's without accounting for speeding, elevation changes, wind resistance, weather (A/C or heat...sometimes and heat where you and I live/travel), or battery degradation.

Now, if you're putting along in the slow lane, dodging semis, this won't matter to you much. But if you're trying to keep up with the flow of traffic, which is going to be somewhere in the 80s-90s, you'll be lucky to hit 1.6mi/kwh and might even be looking at 1mi/kwh. That's why I said if you're going to drive at 60mph you'll be fine, but if you drive at 75 (70 mph rural CA highway speed limit + 5mph) you won't be.

I wouldn't risk rolling into a charger with only 5-10miles on the ticker because we just aren't there yet. That charger may or may not be operable. It may or may not deliver anything more than a 20A EVSE could deliver.

I hope people giving you advise understand that you're driving through the Mojave Desert--one of the most inhospitable regions in the world. We're seeing daytime temps of 130F but that's not the worst of it...we're seeing 120F at night. I haven't even mentioned the out-of-the-blue 40+ mph dust storms that can blow a vehicle off the road.

When most folks think of CA they see a meandering freeway up the coastline going through some of our nation's most populous cities. Most have no idea that just 100 miles east there's an entirely different environment that can, and does, literally kill motorists who become stranded in their vehicles and are hours away from recovery/rescue services.

Sorry if this came across as soap boxy or too pessimistic, but if you were asking about committing from OC to SD, for example, I'd suggest you wing it. Given what we know about this truck's efficiency, the battery size, and the state of charging in the US as a whole and the eastern side of rural CA in particular, I'd say you are right up against the margins of safety here. The Mojave Desert isn't a place I would advise anyone to play up against the margins.

I run that route a few times a year as well (lately in a Model Y). I appreciate folks like you that speak hard truth. I'm with ya, buy the ER pack, or stick with ICE for now.