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You don't think the Lightning is going to be delivered this summer?

I've owned first generation of Alfa Romeo, the Mach E and haven't had any issues. 2 Platforms that didn't exist before they were put out. The F150 had a platform already in use. But I'm more interested in your thinking there won't be any Lightnings this year. Broncos are on the road. Rivian, a startup, delayed by Covid, got their vehicle on the road (a vehicle I've seen on the road in my zip code) by the end of 2021 and you think the F150 won't be out this year?


BTW list the parts that I agree are new and unique that are outside of the Frunk, the bottom of the infotainment screen and the battery. List the ones that aren't already on the current refreshed F150 that's out and the Mach E. The Mach E, btw, that they got out the door during a pandemic.
I think that based on the fact of how Ford has screwed up the reservation/production process of the new Bronco, there will be a lot of angry reservation owners that were told they would have their 2022 Lightning in 2022.

I avoid FIRST YEAR production of vehicles/powertrains, again especially based on all the problems Ford has had with the FIRST YEAR release of the Bronco, Explorer, Aviator... etc. If you've had the FIRST GENERATION of a vehicle and haven't had any issues, great for you, but you are only one person mentioning a population of two cars, which is irrelevant statistically.

You can do your own research on the unique parts of a vehicle that has never been produced before... The Mach E got out the door during a pandemic, true but vehicles are designed years prior to a release and supply chain issues are current. Again, my comments are only speculation based on Ford issues recently releasing a new product, there will always be exceptions but you do you.
 

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I think that based on the fact of how Ford has screwed up the reservation/production process of the new Bronco, there will be a lot of angry reservation owners that were told they would have their 2022 Lightning in 2022.

I avoid FIRST YEAR production of vehicles/powertrains, again especially based on all the problems Ford has had with the FIRST YEAR release of the Bronco, Explorer, Aviator... etc. If you've had the FIRST GENERATION of a vehicle and haven't had any issues, great for you, but you are only one person mentioning a population of two cars, which is irrelevant statistically.
If you don't mind copying your approach. I never owned a Ford before. I intended to buy the wifey a Ford Escape but before that, I rented a Ford Escape for my official company trip to Northern CA. Lo and behold, the rental unit, definitely new had screws falling into my lap.

I might have to ask the dealer to put me way behind in their priority list. I got another follow up call from but they can't even answer when I asked date-specific production schedule for F150 Lightning and when they are getting their demo unit.
 

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I got another follow up call from but they can't even answer when I asked date-specific production schedule for F150 Lightning and when they are getting their demo unit.
That would probably be because Ford hasn't provided those dates yet.
 
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I think that based on the fact of how Ford has screwed up the reservation/production process of the new Bronco, there will be a lot of angry reservation owners that were told they would have their 2022 Lightning in 2022.
Wow ok, so you get on my case about my case specific example but then do the same for your own argument. You are once again, without any evidence claiming that Ford won't deliver the vehicle when they said they would. I did get a side view of how the Bronco process went and I'd say that with the amount of optioning they did upfront - it made the process really confusing. As I stated in my last post, I think they are learning from that. The Lightning it pretty straight forward. Again because the Bronco is a new vehicle and the F150 is not, leaves me to state they they will deliver it this year. Of course I guess we can skip right by how the argument against delivering a vehicle and the process of ordering one getting messed up are 2 completely different things...l but yea, do you.

I avoid FIRST YEAR production of vehicles/powertrains, again especially based on all the problems Ford has had with the FIRST YEAR release of the Bronco, Explorer, Aviator... etc. If you've had the FIRST GENERATION of a vehicle and haven't had any issues, great for you, but you are only one person mentioning a population of two cars, which is irrelevant statistically.
You are only one person as well. And most people that have no problem generally don't say anything, those that do generally will speak up more. That's why consumer reports can be a toss up. The only people I'd actually listen to about first year problems are mechanics at dealerships cause they actually know. Are you a mechanic at a dealership?
And so, cause I think you missed this, I mentioned having 2 first generation vehicles because I'm responding to you saying you avoid first year generation. I'm saying I don't because I haven't had issues....so I'm not going to avoid the first generation of a vehicle that, again, isn't new.

You can do your own research on the unique parts of a vehicle that has never been produced before...
So that means - you can't list anything.

The Mach E got out the door during a pandemic, true but vehicles are designed years prior to a release and supply chain issues are current.
So then first generation vehicles can be good....I'm not sure what you are saying here.

Again, my comments are only speculation based on Ford issues recently releasing a new product, there will always be exceptions but you do you.
Trust me, I know they are, especially since the main issues with the recent and only new product you have mentioned, Bronco, was supply chain based on a pandemic.

BTW, the powertrains from a lot of these vehicles aren't new, they are reused. Ford, Ram and Chevy and others all do that. The coyote isn't just in the mustang, the ecoboost isn't just in...jeez which one did that even start in at this point. The Hybrid isn't just in the F150.

I'll just end by saying that you've already stated that you don't have a reservation on the Lightning. So I question the mentality of a person that joins an online forum to post about something they aren't getting. You don't have to sign up to see posts. So I guess you do you? All I asked is why you think it won't get delivered this year, which I still think you are flat wrong about and you've said nothing to convince me otherwise.
 

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If you don't mind copying your approach. I never owned a Ford before. I intended to buy the wifey a Ford Escape but before that, I rented a Ford Escape for my official company trip to Northern CA. Lo and behold, the rental unit, definitely new had screws falling into my lap.
I remember a story last year of a family taking ownership of their new Model Y and while driving home, on the highway, the roof came off.
 

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If you don't mind copying your approach. I never owned a Ford before. I intended to buy the wifey a Ford Escape but before that, I rented a Ford Escape for my official company trip to Northern CA. Lo and behold, the rental unit, definitely new had screws falling into my lap.

I might have to ask the dealer to put me way behind in their priority list. I got another follow up call from but they can't even answer when I asked date-specific production schedule for F150 Lightning and when they are getting their demo unit.
There is a saying I like, "the worst time to buy a car is when you really need it". I'm sure that by the time we get our Lightnings, there will be plenty of YouTubers posting reviews, commenting on any possible issues, likes and dislikes that will either ease or highlight any concerns.
You should do what you think it's best for you, for example, I like the tech approach of Tesla but I would not pay all that money to own one when I know the finishing issues they have will bother me immensely.
I have gotten away from being too OCD about cars, but at a time, my wife recommended that I purchase a Jeep Wrangler (as a carefree vehicle) so I stopped obsessing about avoiding a dent on my Pontiac GTO... I did.
 

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Wow ok, so you get on my case about my case specific example but then do the same for your own argument. You are once again, without any evidence claiming that Ford won't deliver the vehicle when they said they would. I did get a side view of how the Bronco process went and I'd say that with the amount of optioning they did upfront - it made the process really confusing. As I stated in my last post, I think they are learning from that. The Lightning it pretty straight forward. Again because the Bronco is a new vehicle and the F150 is not, leaves me to state they they will deliver it this year. Of course I guess we can skip right by how the argument against delivering a vehicle and the process of ordering one getting messed up are 2 completely different things...l but yea, do you.
I think you like being argumentative for the sake of arguing. I was clear on my reasons, read them again if you need to.

You are only one person as well. And most people that have no problem generally don't say anything, those that do generally will speak up more. That's why consumer reports can be a toss up. The only people I'd actually listen to about first year problems are mechanics at dealerships cause they actually know. Are you a mechanic at a dealership?
And so, cause I think you missed this, I mentioned having 2 first generation vehicles because I'm responding to you saying you avoid first year generation. I'm saying I don't because I haven't had issues....so I'm not going to avoid the first generation of a vehicle that, again, isn't new.
I was clear on what I based my assumptions. Read about Ford specific issues with the Bronco, and the latest versions of the Explorer/Aviator (which you seemed to conveniently miss on my previous comment)...

So that means - you can't list anything.
No, that means I assume you know how to use Google...

So then first generation vehicles can be good....I'm not sure what you are saying here.
It means you can't distinguish between what "first year" and "first generation" means.

Trust me, I know they are, especially since the main issues with the recent and only new product you have mentioned, Bronco, was supply chain based on a pandemic.
The large number of 2.7L blowing up in the Bronco, or them having to redesign the tops due to delamination and re-send them to owners are in no way related to the supply chain or pandemic. Similar to build quality issues on the latest generation of the Explorer.

BTW, the powertrains from a lot of these vehicles aren't new, they are reused. Ford, Ram and Chevy and others all do that. The coyote isn't just in the mustang, the ecoboost isn't just in...jeez which one did that even start in at this point. The Hybrid isn't just in the F150.
The Lightning powertrain is not shared, the battery pack is not shared, the charger is not shared... What is it so hard to understand...

I'll just end by saying that you've already stated that you don't have a reservation on the Lightning. So I question the mentality of a person that joins an online forum to post about something they aren't getting. You don't have to sign up to see posts. So I guess you do you? All I asked is why you think it won't get delivered this year, which I still think you are flat wrong about and you've said nothing to convince me otherwise.
I don't have a reservation, I have talked to my dealer to order one but as I hope you know, orders are not open yet. I have also joined other forums to research on potential vehicles I'm interested in. I think smart people do this.
I question the mentality of a person that continues to argue a moot point with someone he thinks doesn't have an interest in the vehicle discussed in the forum...
 

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I would be speaking for myself here, but I have reservations for both F150 Lightning and Cybertruck and making this comparison on trying to decide which one to flunk my hard-earned savings into, or keep both -- and maybe make money in the resell of the truck that's so-so.:unsure:
It's funny, I have hedged my bets by placing a deposit down on just about every EV truck or SUV expected to hit the market. GMC Hummer, Rivian, F-150, Silverado, Cadillac, etc, yet, despite having driven Tesla's for the past 9 years, the one I DON'T have a deposit on is the CyberTruck. I'm a "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" person. Not that I have that much interest in the Cybertruck anyway, but, knew immediately that it would be something that was available for purchase for MANY years, so didn't bother. At this point, I'm pretty much decided on whoever delivers first wins. Ford appears to be in the lead.
 

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It's funny, I have hedged my bets by placing a deposit down on just about every EV truck or SUV expected to hit the market. GMC Hummer, Rivian, F-150, Silverado, Cadillac, etc, yet, despite having driven Tesla's for the past 9 years, the one I DON'T have a deposit on is the CyberTruck. I'm a "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" person. Not that I have that much interest in the Cybertruck anyway, but, knew immediately that it would be something that was available for purchase for MANY years, so didn't bother. At this point, I'm pretty much decided on whoever delivers first wins. Ford appears to be in the lead.
Well technically Rivian and Hummer are first but only if you are an employee and got the first edition (which is another thing I'm getting sick of from GMC/Chevy). I was surprised to see Rivians in my area (MD) but then my electrician ran into one of them and said that they are employees; guess they are teleworking?
 
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Anyone understand Ford's price points?

Having a little background in marketing, I understand that in order to be competitive, pricing and superior performance are important and it seems F150 Lightning is priced on a premium when performance is sub-par with the competition.

I've tried a "build" with Lariat, a dual motor, and it's coming out to be $70,000 and change. Seems to be a deal breaker with Cybertruck equivalent is a tri-motor, certainly a step up.

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Ford F-150 Lightning
  • Lightning Pro Dual Motor AWD Work Truck: $39,974 (426-hp; 230-mile range)
  • Lightning Pro Dual Motor AWD Work Truck: $49,974 (563-hp; 300-mile range)
  • XLT Dual Motor AWD XLT: $52,974 ($6,700 premium over a gas XLT 4×4)
  • Lariat Dual Motor AWD: Est. $58,630 (using a $6,700 premium over Lariat 4×4)
  • Platinum Dual Motor AWD: Est. $69,500 (using a $6,700 premium over Platinum 4×4)
  • Top Trim: $90,474 (based on top price given by Ford)
Tesla Cybertruck
  • Single Motor: $39,900
  • Dual Motor AWD: $49,900
  • Tri-Motor AWD: $69,900
Probably over $90,000 now
 

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Oh memories. The Lightning was delivered by the Summer. Tesla increased the price of their autopilot during this time.

There is still no way the CT with a tri-motor is going to be south of 100k.

Oh and I LOVE my Lightning....that exists.
 

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It’s completely subjective (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) but whether the CT actually ever sees the light of day or not, it’s f-ing ugly. Totally subjective: I still think the Model 3 looks like an 80s-era Saturn with body panels that don’t line-up and a design that looks exactly the same as it did when it was first introduced.
 

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It’s completely subjective (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) but whether the CT actually ever sees the light of day or not, it’s f-ing ugly. Totally subjective: I still think the Model 3 looks like an 80s-era Saturn with body panels that don’t line-up and a design that looks exactly the same as it did when it was first introduced.
So, the 3 was designed to be the "everyone" car, Honda Accord or such. If you want sexy, they offer the S.
 

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Oh-boy. You know loads more about EVs and BMS systems etc vs the rest of us … but the Model S at over $100k US is a lot of things. Sexy ain’t one of them (again, IMO but probably many others too -hence the price cuts - very long in the tooth). 2023 is not going to be a good year for Elon. Tesla had first-mover advantage (yesterday). The market has moved.
 

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Oh-boy. You know loads more about EVs and BMS systems etc vs the rest of us … but the Model S at over $100k US is a lot of things. Sexy ain’t one of them (again, IMO but probably many others too -hence the price cuts - very long in the tooth). 2023 is not going to be a good year for Elon. Tesla had first-mover advantage (yesterday). The market has moved.
S prices now <$100k... Weird how our thinking changes, people spending that on Ford's lol.
 

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For me it's about the numbers - not the looks. On paper, CT blows away the Lightning. I suspect reality won't be too far off. If I was buying a truck to shore up my my masculinity then sure, CT would be out, but I'm not. If it was pink I would still get it (but probably wrap it :p). It's a tool and I am really looking forward to that 500 mile range, 30X SS body, large flat bed with 3500lb payload no wheel humps and aerodynamic tonneau, to name a few. Oh ..and a mute/pause button on the steering wheel. ;)
 
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