[edcable]

What other major improvements do you expect will come along in subsequent model years that early always might miss out on. This improved battery technology seems like a painful pill to swallow of being an early adopter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/ford-ev-manufacturing-rate-lithium-iron-phosphate-battery-131424727.html

"Ford is refining its plans to expand EV production, and it will partly lean on new battery materials to achieve those goals. The automaker now expects to hit a global production rate of 600,000 EVs per year by late 2023 thanks in part to lithium iron phosphate battery packs in some of its vehicles, starting with Mustang Mach-Es sold in North America (in 2023) and F-150 Lightnings (in early 2024). The chemistry will expand Ford's capacity, allow for "many years" of use with little range loss, cut manufacturing costs and reduce the dependence on shortage-prone materials like nickel."

 

[Kirk]

You don’t want the lithium iron phosphate batteries. They are cheaper to manufacture but have less energy density aka range. Not having them is a benefit, as opposed to ‘missing out’.

I do expect features to be developed which make me feel jealous, but this isn’t one of them.

 

[edcable]

You don’t want the lithium iron phosphate batteries. They are cheaper to manufacture but have less energy density aka range. Not having them is a benefit, as opposed to ‘missing out’.

I do expect features to be developed which make me feel jealous, but this isn’t one of them.

That's good to bear in mind. I'm not proficient on the chemistry behind the batteries so they these lithium iron phosphate batteries do have a longer lifecycle but diminished range?

 

[Voltz]

You don’t want the lithium iron phosphate batteries.

Well, actually I do. There's a huge market for a $50,000 rolling 9.6 kW generator commercial work truck with idiot proof batteries that charge all night with a year-round worst day range of 125 miles or so. Most days, 200+. When these trucks are available, and small business owners start plugging in Lightning Pro and eTransit numbers into their spreadsheets, they'll sell millions of them. If they can ever build enough of them, I think that the trades will be the first market to de-ICE.

It ain't the range, it's the chargers.

 

[edcable]

That's good to bear in mind. I'm not proficient on the chemistry behind the batteries so they these lithium iron phosphate batteries do have a longer lifecycle but diminished range?

I do now see the previous thread on the topic which is insightful in pointing to this being the battery tech for low-end EVs so as you stated it would be better to adopt early to have superior battery technology at even the standard range level.

Ford F-150 Lightning Will Get Lithium Iron Phosphate...

Ford recently hinted that the F-150 Lightning and Mach-E will get LFP batteries. https://electrek.co/2022/05/12/ford-hints-lfp-batteries-mustang-mach-e-f-150-lightning/ "Ford is working on bringing iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries its first-generation electric vehicles, like the Mustang Mach-E...

www.lightningowners.com

 

[Kirk]

Well, actually I do. There's a huge market for a $50,000 rolling 9.6 kW generator commercial work truck …

If they drop the price significantly to make up for the loss in energy density then I’m all for it. Completely agree they have a great place in the commercial work truck. Unfortunately what we will likely see is the same price with crappier batteries.

 

[edcable]

If they drop the price significantly to make up for the loss in energy density then I’m all for it. Completely agree they have a great place in the commercial work truck. Unfortunately what we will likely see is the same price with crappier batteries.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ford-adjusts-ev-strategy-supply-214713286.html

Fingers crossed can get order filled before they begin using the cheaper battery tech on the standard range battery.

 

[jeff3113]

HOPEFULLY.., newer batteries can be retrofitted into existing platforms. same across ALL EV product lines

 

[HellBoy]

Yep def not a great thing here!

 

[ChasingCoral]

Expect the standard range trucks to come with the LFP batteries in the future. The LFP SR packs will probably be the size of the current ER packs to maintain the current range. The extended range will continue with the current NCM batteries.

 

[THEsocalledfan]

Expect the standard range trucks to come with the LFP batteries in the future. The LFP SR packs will probably be the size of the current ER packs to maintain the current range. The extended range will continue with the current NCM batteries.

I think Coral is right about this. I read an article that Ford is planning to up the number of cells when they use this. I'm curious how this will affect weight.

 

[GDN]

That is how Tesla did it - LFP for the SR's and Li-ion for the ER's.

 

[Txxthie]

Expect the standard range trucks to come with the LFP batteries in the future. The LFP SR packs will probably be the size of the current ER packs to maintain the current range. The extended range will continue with the current NCM batteries.

Correct 👍

With LFP you can charge to 100% without fear of future degradation of battery. As an owner of a 2023 LFP TM3 this alone is a game changer. No more baby sitting battery packs. You can actually use what you pay for regularly, not just for trips. LFP has a very low chance of a thermal runway event, even when punctuated, perfect for a work truck. Cheaper cost to produce benefiting Ford and end consumer. LFP will provide a path to profitability for Ford with EV’s.
I would gladly swap out my 98kWh NCA Lightning pack with a larger range equivalent LFP pack. This is a case of misinformation and lack of understanding of NCA vs LFP.

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