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How is a 2023 Delivery Date affecting your decision?

  • I am either not going to order, cancelling or will not pick up the truck - no tax credit - no truck

    Votes: 19 45.2%
  • I am changing my order and options to get a SR battery and be under $80,000 MSRP

    Votes: 9 21.4%
  • I'm unhappy, but still ordering and getting my truck - I want my Lightning!

    Votes: 11 26.2%
  • I am still happy to get the Lightning with or without the tax credit

    Votes: 4 9.5%
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I am curious as to how many who still have reservations or made orders arriving in 2023 have changed what they are ordering or will not take delivery due to the new tax law regarding the $7,500 tax credit. I know the final amount of the credit and qualifications have not been totally finalized, but this is assuming the $80,000 MSRP price cap remains in place disqualifying a truck for the credit completely.
 

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It's not just the $80k limit. Even under $80k (Pro/XLT), it's entirely unclear (and seemingly unlikely) that those will meet the battery sourcing constraints. I'm expecting delivery of a Pro (locked 2022 pricing) in early '23. Considering how good that deal is, I may begrudgingly go through with it even without any federal tax credit. I can get a $2250 instant rebate from the state of CT, so at least that's something.
 

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It's not exactly the situation you describe in the poll, but 23 pricing and tax law changes lit a fire under me to find a 22 Sr Lariat and buy off the lot rather than custom order. Had my reservation in the morning after they opened and just got my order invites yesterday so it worked out in my favor.
 

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It's not just the $80k limit. Even under $80k (Pro/XLT), it's entirely unclear (and seemingly unlikely) that those will meet the battery sourcing constraints. I'm expecting delivery of a Pro (locked 2022 pricing) in early '23. Considering how good that deal is, I may begrudgingly go through with it even without any federal tax credit. I can get a $2250 instant rebate from the state of CT, so at least that's something.
Correct . . . that is why I said " assuming the $80,000 MSRP price cap remains in place disqualifying a truck for the credit completely." Someone like you with a pro order may be in a totally different scenario. Time will tell on how the battery component qualifications shake out.
 

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I may begrudgingly go through with it even without any federal tax credit
The packs are assembled in the US. I think there's a good possibility that Lightnings will qualify for $3750. AFAIK, nothing is final and the mineral sourcing credit is really doubtful.
 

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It's not exactly the situation you describe in the poll, but 23 pricing and tax law changes lit a fire under me to find a 22 Sr Lariat and buy off the lot rather than custom order. Had my reservation in the morning after they opened and just got my order invites yesterday so it worked out in my favor.
Yup. I found a '22 Mannequin to buy that I am picking up Sunday.
 

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I am curious as to how many who still have reservations or made orders arriving in 2023 have changed what they are ordering or will not take delivery due to the new tax law regarding the $75,000 tax credit. I know the final amount of the credit and qualifications have not been totally finalized, but this is assuming the $80,000 MSRP price cap remains in place disqualifying a truck for the credit completely.
Another cap is the income limit. Buyers of EVs above a certain income level are not qualified for federal tax credit starting 2023. Make sure to check them if you rely on it.
 

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Here's a thought: can a buyer purchase a truck pre-delivery or provide a contract with a significant deposit before 12/31 and still qualify? The IRS allowed vehicle buyers with a "written binding contract" to qualify under the pre-August 16, 2022 rules if a written binding contract was in place before 8/16. Would the same apply to written binding contracts signed before 12/31/22? If so, those trucks would not be subject to the sourcing, MSRP, or income rules that start 1/1/2023.

Transition Rule for Vehicles Purchased before August 16, 2022
If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying electric vehicle before August 16, 2022, but do not take possession of the vehicle until on or after August 16, 2022 (for example, because the vehicle has not been delivered), you may claim the EV credit based on the rules that were in effect before August 16, 2022. The final assembly requirement does not apply before August 16, 2022.

Vehicles Purchased and Delivered between August 16, 2022 and December 31, 2022
If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, aside from the final assembly requirement, the rules in effect before the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act for the EV credit apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold). If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying vehicle before August 16, 2022, see the rule above.

What Is a Written Binding Contract?
In general, a written contract is binding if it is enforceable under State law and does not limit damages to a specified amount (for example, by use of a liquidated damages provision or the forfeiture of a deposit). While the enforceability of a contract under State law is a facts-and-circumstances determination to be made under relevant State law, if a customer has made a significant non-refundable deposit or down payment, it is an indication of a binding contract. For tax purposes in general, a contract provision that limits damages to an amount equal to at least 5 percent of the total contract price is not treated as limiting damages to a specified amount. For example, if a customer has made a non-refundable deposit or down payment of 5 percent of the total contract price, it is an indication of a binding contract. A contract is binding even if subject to a condition, as long as the condition is not within the control of either party. A contract will continue to be binding if the parties make insubstantial changes in its terms and conditions.


 
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There is no check mark in the poll for my position on the matter.

I am still going to buy the vehicle I wanted to buy, but I would not Mark myself as specially unhappy about it. Having driven EVs for longer than any major manufacturer has been making them, I did not see how Ford was going to build an EV for what they thought they were, realized they are new in the game and are going to figure it out and I would end up paying more.

I paid premium prices (MSRP) for the Teslas that I have purchased. I understand they are expensive to build and I understood what I was buying. I am looking forward to the opportunity to purchase a lightning for similar amounts of money, and I think it is a fair deal for both me and Ford.

I will not pay over MSRP to a crooked dealer, but I will happily pay what it costs Ford to make the vehicle and for both the OEM and dealer to make what it takes to keep them in business.

Check mark me has not being unhappy, and I still plan on buying the vehicle I want.
 

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There is no check mark in the poll for my position on the matter.

I am still going to buy the vehicle I wanted to buy, but I would not Mark myself as specially unhappy about it. Having driven EVs for longer than any major manufacturer has been making them, I did not see how Ford was going to build an EV for what they thought they were, realized they are new in the game and are going to figure it out and I would end up paying more.

I paid premium prices (MSRP) for the Teslas that I have purchased. I understand they are expensive to build and I understood what I was buying. I am looking forward to the opportunity to purchase a lightning for similar amounts of money, and I think it is a fair deal for both me and Ford.

I will not pay over MSRP to a crooked dealer, but I will happily pay what it costs Ford to make the vehicle and for both the OEM and dealer to make what it takes to keep them in business.

Check mark me has not being unhappy, and I still plan on buying the vehicle I want.
Added a selection for you . . . I guess it should have said "I am unhappy to not get the tax credit . . . but . . ."
 

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My delivery date is Dec 28-jan 3. I could very easily see it delivering Dec 31 at 8pm and some mad dash to try to get it all done , only to have some thing snag the deal at the last second and it all fall apart. Then receive it on Jan 1 losing a whole bunch of tax benefits.
 

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I am curious as to how many who still have reservations or made orders arriving in 2023 have changed what they are ordering or will not take delivery due to the new tax law regarding the $75,000 tax credit. I know the final amount of the credit and qualifications have not been totally finalized, but this is assuming the $80,000 MSRP price cap remains in place disqualifying a truck for the credit completely.
We can get a $75000 tax credit? Wow free truck! 😏
 

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I do wonder once 1/1/23 rolls around and even now basically how many would have ordered an ER but opted for the SR. I guess not knowing if it is going to be $3750 or $7500 doesn’t help the decision. Good poll!
 

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Here's a thought: can a buyer purchase a truck pre-delivery or provide a contract with a significant deposit before 12/31 and still qualify? The IRS allowed vehicle buyers with a "written binding contract" to qualify under the pre-August 16, 2022 rules if a written binding contract was in place before 8/16. Would the same apply to written binding contracts signed before 12/31/22? If so, those trucks would not be subject to the sourcing, MSRP, or income rules that start 1/1/2023.

Transition Rule for Vehicles Purchased before August 16, 2022
If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying electric vehicle before August 16, 2022, but do not take possession of the vehicle until on or after August 16, 2022 (for example, because the vehicle has not been delivered), you may claim the EV credit based on the rules that were in effect before August 16, 2022. The final assembly requirement does not apply before August 16, 2022.

Vehicles Purchased and Delivered between August 16, 2022 and December 31, 2022
If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, aside from the final assembly requirement, the rules in effect before the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act for the EV credit apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold). If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying vehicle before August 16, 2022, see the rule above.

What Is a Written Binding Contract?
In general, a written contract is binding if it is enforceable under State law and does not limit damages to a specified amount (for example, by use of a liquidated damages provision or the forfeiture of a deposit). While the enforceability of a contract under State law is a facts-and-circumstances determination to be made under relevant State law, if a customer has made a significant non-refundable deposit or down payment, it is an indication of a binding contract. For tax purposes in general, a contract provision that limits damages to an amount equal to at least 5 percent of the total contract price is not treated as limiting damages to a specified amount. For example, if a customer has made a non-refundable deposit or down payment of 5 percent of the total contract price, it is an indication of a binding contract. A contract is binding even if subject to a condition, as long as the condition is not within the control of either party. A contract will continue to be binding if the parties make insubstantial changes in its terms and conditions.



I was thinking about just paying cash for the truck and maybe go to my dealer and work out a deal with him before the year is out. But, I ordered a Lariat ER with other add-ons and with the recent price hike, my tab is up to 90k. Would it be worth it to work out a binding contract? With that price of the truck, is there ANY chance of me getting any tax credits for 2022? Oh BTW, I ordered 11-15-22 and my build week won't be until 1-9-23. I want to just go to my dealer and discuss the possibility of a contract but this guy I'm dealing with seems to be clueless on just about EVERY question or subject that I throw at him.
 

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I was thinking about just paying cash for the truck and maybe go to my dealer and work out a deal with him before the year is out. But, I ordered a Lariat ER with other add-ons and with the recent price hike, my tab is up to 90k. Would it be worth it to work out a binding contract? With that price of the truck, is there ANY chance of me getting any tax credits for 2022? Oh BTW, I ordered 11-15-22 and my build week won't be until 1-9-23. I want to just go to my dealer and discuss the possibility of a contract but this guy I'm dealing with seems to be clueless on just about EVERY question or subject that I throw at him.
Have you talked to the dealer? I am having the same conversation With my dealer. They said they could t do anything until the vehicle was in the state or something. If You guys reach some agreement that works, please post it, cuz I’m interested in tryign something similar.
 

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I was thinking about just paying cash for the truck and maybe go to my dealer and work out a deal with him before the year is out. But, I ordered a Lariat ER with other add-ons and with the recent price hike, my tab is up to 90k. Would it be worth it to work out a binding contract? With that price of the truck, is there ANY chance of me getting any tax credits for 2022? Oh BTW, I ordered 11-15-22 and my build week won't be until 1-9-23. I want to just go to my dealer and discuss the possibility of a contract but this guy I'm dealing with seems to be clueless on just about EVERY question or subject that I throw at him.
Binding contracts had to in place prior to 8/16/22. Hence the reason Rivian was having customers scramble to get that binding contract completed in the two days prior to 8/16.
 

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Here's a thought: can a buyer purchase a truck pre-delivery or provide a contract with a significant deposit before 12/31 and still qualify? The IRS allowed vehicle buyers with a "written binding contract" to qualify under the pre-August 16, 2022 rules if a written binding contract was in place before 8/16. Would the same apply to written binding contracts signed before 12/31/22? If so, those trucks would not be subject to the sourcing, MSRP, or income rules that start 1/1/2023.

Transition Rule for Vehicles Purchased before August 16, 2022
If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying electric vehicle before August 16, 2022, but do not take possession of the vehicle until on or after August 16, 2022 (for example, because the vehicle has not been delivered), you may claim the EV credit based on the rules that were in effect before August 16, 2022. The final assembly requirement does not apply before August 16, 2022.

Vehicles Purchased and Delivered between August 16, 2022 and December 31, 2022
If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, aside from the final assembly requirement, the rules in effect before the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act for the EV credit apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold). If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying vehicle before August 16, 2022, see the rule above.

What Is a Written Binding Contract?
In general, a written contract is binding if it is enforceable under State law and does not limit damages to a specified amount (for example, by use of a liquidated damages provision or the forfeiture of a deposit). While the enforceability of a contract under State law is a facts-and-circumstances determination to be made under relevant State law, if a customer has made a significant non-refundable deposit or down payment, it is an indication of a binding contract. For tax purposes in general, a contract provision that limits damages to an amount equal to at least 5 percent of the total contract price is not treated as limiting damages to a specified amount. For example, if a customer has made a non-refundable deposit or down payment of 5 percent of the total contract price, it is an indication of a binding contract. A contract is binding even if subject to a condition, as long as the condition is not within the control of either party. A contract will continue to be binding if the parties make insubstantial changes in its terms and conditions.


Why would you think they would say a binding had to be in place prior to 8/16 but you can still complete one after that date and still qualify? That makes no sense. Regardless any binding contract done now would not qualify.
 
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