I just picked up my 2022 XLT AND HAD PREARRANGED my trade in to be treated as an in and out sale to my friend. I was trading a 2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness with 10K mikes and it was immaculate. The dealer never let me know when the trucked arrived and kept trying to push me off until the next day when I was a cash sale after my trade in for $40,200. They gave me lots s of fake reasons like they had to charge it, there was a service bulletin and they had to detail it. I showed up with a check in hand and gave them the trade in info and my buyer. They copied it all down like it was a go and had me sign papers re Title and after all was said and done they demanded keys and said I sold the car to them and they were going to keep it and my buyer was just out of luck. This is Young Ford in Brigham City but it is a huge chain up and down the state I have heard subsequently that this is a trick if theirs. I am a lawyer and I was shocked. It ruined my whole Lightning experience and I will never go back to them again. The way they pretended to write down my buyer’s information was so deceptive. It is really putting a damper on my ability to even enjoy my truck. I feel such betrayal. No offers to have me fill out a survey. They also jumped the price and said the procedure is to sell it to me for MSRP and then Ford would refund the difference but then had me sign a paper that if ford does not refund then I hold them harmless. With these ethics, what do you think my chances are that I will ever see the extra charge of over $1,000?
Dealer upped the price and pretended for an in and out on my Trade in
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yep, you'll have to explain to us what "my trade in to be treated as an in and out sale to my friend" means and the circumstances why you didn't just sell it directly to your friend, at a lower price.
I can imagine that a dealership does not want to simply provide a 'transaction' for a used vehicle that they now are not going to make any money on selling themselves, and least not in today's crazy market.
What is the '$1,000 extra charge' you are referring to?
I can imagine that a dealership does not want to simply provide a 'transaction' for a used vehicle that they now are not going to make any money on selling themselves, and least not in today's crazy market.
What is the '$1,000 extra charge' you are referring to?
You don’t pay sales tax on a vehicle you trade in so I escaped sales tax on the amount of my trade in. The dealership would only offer $37,000 for my trade in so I sold it outside and the dealership said they would do the paperwork to bring it in and then sell to him at the higher price. It is quite common for dealers to do that here. I have purchased two vehicles myself this way.
They don’t have to, but the worst is if they say they are going to do it, pretend to do it and then after the first half of the purchase goes down they switched and demanded the keys and just kept the car as their inventory at the price that my buyer agreed to.
They don’t have to, but the worst is if they say they are going to do it, pretend to do it and then after the first half of the purchase goes down they switched and demanded the keys and just kept the car as their inventory at the price that my buyer agreed to.
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interesting... so, basically, you are trading in your 'old' vehicle for a 'new' one, therefore receiving a lower overall price, for tax purposes. Got it.
the other half of the equation is not so easy to understand. The dealership is taking your vehicle on 'trade', and yet agreeing to immediately 'sell' it to your friend? At a specific agreed-to price to your friend?
so, if the dealer, as you say, 'keeps' the traded-in vehicle, instead of selling it to your friend, but are still marketing it at the same agreed-to price, where's the rub? Can't your friend still purchase the car at the same price they expected to? Where does the "$1,000 extra" come from that you referred to?
the other half of the equation is not so easy to understand. The dealership is taking your vehicle on 'trade', and yet agreeing to immediately 'sell' it to your friend? At a specific agreed-to price to your friend?
so, if the dealer, as you say, 'keeps' the traded-in vehicle, instead of selling it to your friend, but are still marketing it at the same agreed-to price, where's the rub? Can't your friend still purchase the car at the same price they expected to? Where does the "$1,000 extra" come from that you referred to?
Um... They sold you the truck for MSRP... But Ford was to give you $1k back?
Dealers playing shady games is non-news, but this post is super confusing. Maybe the strangest part for me is the reference to the fact that you are an attorney. As such, one would assume that you are better equipped than most of us to navigate legal contracts and defend yourself against shady business practices. I must just be missing some peices of this story.
As a Legal Beagle, what is your plan for holding this nefarious dealers feet to the proverbial fire?
Dealers playing shady games is non-news, but this post is super confusing. Maybe the strangest part for me is the reference to the fact that you are an attorney. As such, one would assume that you are better equipped than most of us to navigate legal contracts and defend yourself against shady business practices. I must just be missing some peices of this story.
As a Legal Beagle, what is your plan for holding this nefarious dealers feet to the proverbial fire?
I was looking only at my side of the documentation and them pretending to come in and get the name, address, email of my buyer to make me believe they were preparing his side certainly tricked me. By the time I had already signed my title over, it was too late and they had my vehicle so there was nothing I could do because written documents govern over verbal discussions and promises. Yes they also told me they have to sell it for MSRP instead of what was on my Ford App tracking the order and they would refund the difference of about $1,000 when Ford refunded them.
They don’t sell it to my buyer in this scenario. They mark it up a couple thousand and put it out for sale at their Suburu dealership under the same name.
This doesn't make sense, the Ford website shows MSRP, and dealer market adjustment. Anything they say that contradicts the numbers on your Ford account is a lie. Also Ford isn't doing any refunding, ether your explaining it poorly or they are just full of shit. I suspect the later.
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I had an issue where I picked up my truck on a Friday afternoon, and the dealer wasn't able to "find" my $500 deposit to credit to the purchase of the truck. They promised they would resolve the following Monday morning, and I received a check for the full amount in the mail Tuesday. There are still good dealers out there.
Wow this seems so simple to me, I don’t understand the confusion unless most of you just do not have pending orders. My order summary says
$74,994.00
But dealer say he has to sell it for $75,994.00 yes $1000 more. Not listed as a dealer markup but them saying they have to sell it for that and then I wait for Ford to rebate money back after submitting my order summary. Hey it did not make sense to me but the threat is they don’t sell you the truck and sell to someone else after I waited all this tim
$74,994.00
But dealer say he has to sell it for $75,994.00 yes $1000 more. Not listed as a dealer markup but them saying they have to sell it for that and then I wait for Ford to rebate money back after submitting my order summary. Hey it did not make sense to me but the threat is they don’t sell you the truck and sell to someone else after I waited all this tim
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I am really surprised that people on here do not understand that when you trade a vehicle in on a new car, you don’t pay sales tax on the amount of your trade in that is credited towards the price because you already paid sales tax on your trade in vehicle. That is not a Utah thing, that is just the way it is. So if you sell the vehicle yourself to try and get more, you better get more money than what the dealer offered you to cover the sales tax offset your missing order get the dealer to agree to write it up as if you trade it in and then they sell to a buyer you bring to the deal from your own advertising. In my case it saved me $2,753.70 in sales tax on my truck by trading in my Subaru towards the purchase . And doing a trade in and selling to your customer for a $50 $100 doc fee is just a courtesy Utah dealers do for you. They really don’t do that in other states? Everyone seems so confused by this transaction that happens all the time in Utah. I have done that like 4 times in Utah. Bought my Porsche that way, Bought my Silverado 2500 that way, Sold this Subaru that way and and sold my last outback to the dealer on trade that way and traded my 2020 Ascent for a 2021 Ascent that way that’s 5 times in the last 7 years. You guys make me feel like I am taking crazy pills here.
Nope the doc fee was also added in addition
It's confusing because I've never heard of any dealers that have made the claim that they were forced to charge more than what's on the order page. They can charge ADM but I don't know why Ford would send you a rebate for that amount. The whole scenario seems suspicious.
Did they at least credit you for the deposits you paid?
Shady dealer indeed. What’s your window sticker say? That’s MSRP
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Not crazy. Every state I have lived in does the same. The reduced sales tax and not having to meet a psycho in the Walmart parking lot to sell your car often make it worthwhile to trade-in.
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