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I had a weird call from my dealer today, he said they are desperately looking for clients to take standard range batts on their Lariat's, I said who is asking this Ford? He said yes, he said we have 6 allocations me being one for the year and 2 are platinum’s which larger batt delete is not option and 3 are lariat's with 511a and one xlt truck. I said that’s not good that Ford is already having a batt shortage they have to beg their dealers to try and reduce the extended range orders, anyone else hear similar from their dealers?
 

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As far as we’ve seen, nothing has been scheduled since the first two weeks back to back in early March. Pro, XLT, Lariat, SR or ER. So unless you know your dealer really well I wouldn’t trust this beyond a sales tactic to get you to swap. I wouldn’t pull the trigger on a change without seeing battery size actually making a difference on what’s getting scheduled.
I’ve said before I’m pretty pessimistic and the devil on my shoulder says they’d keep your ER, sell it above MSRP as inventory stock, and give you a SR that maybe someone backed out of, all the while telling you your change made the difference.
I’d want to see my order updated on the website and the vin assigned once scheduled match a SR - otherwise you’d know you’re being lied to.
 

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As far as we’ve seen, nothing has been scheduled since the first two weeks back to back in early March. Pro, XLT, Lariat, SR or ER. So unless you know your dealer really well I wouldn’t trust this beyond a sales tactic to get you to swap. I wouldn’t pull the trigger on a change without seeing battery size actually making a difference on what’s getting scheduled.
I’ve said before I’m pretty pessimistic and the devil on my shoulder says they’d keep your ER, sell it above MSRP as inventory stock, and give you a SR that maybe someone backed out of, all the while telling you your change made the difference.
I’d want to see my order updated on the website and the vin assigned once scheduled match a SR - otherwise you’d know you’re being lied to.
I do know my sales guy pretty well but he is only a puppet to the managers telling him what they want, I must admit it sounded pretty sketchy to me and it is why I asked him "who is asking this Ford?" or is it that the dealer has a high roller calling and saying I will pay $**** above mrsp? I do not know what the truth is but hope to get the truck this year as promised.I may consider a xlt 311a but I do not want to pay for a lariat with SR batt, we intend to use the truck in our business as we are very perfectly suited for ev truck, no hauling really just moving people to job sites with substantial distance meaning 100-200 miles a day driving, perfect for fuel savings.
 

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the issue is really affecting future orders - also heard from my dealer about this...I am the only Lightning with a VIN and build date and he said it likely happened because I opted for the SR instead of the ER. The war in Ukraine has already caused disruptions in supply so it's better for Ford to sell more SRs than ERs, otherwise some orders might have to be delayed into winter/spring 2023...

not sure if this is true as well, but I have a good level of confidence on these folks...
 

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Trucks with the SR pack are going to take a massive hit in retail value (look at retail for model S' with the 65kw pack), and a high buyer's remorse rate. Like those model S', the SR pack is just too small.
 

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I think there is truth to this as I just got off the phone with the dealer and he said they are being asked to fill orders with sr batts, im trying to downgrade to a xlt sr but he not sure he can change the allocations they got meaning the models just batt size, hes looking into it. Ford likely stll wants the lariat $$$ but i dont want to pay premium lariat for sr batt rather get xlt then.
 

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"Maybe we can modify this order substituting a Pro with Tow and a build date in the next couple of months."

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LOL.....good luck selling trucks in the heartland with SR batteries. I'd never buy the SR in a million years.
there will be no issues selling them...I guarantee you that. People will be paying 15k-30k over MSRP for one, no questions asked.

Think about this one for a second - I am also on the Lightning group over at Reddit and I've had 2 members reaching out to me offering me $20k + MSRP for my Lightning SR XLT 302A...if I wanted to flip this truck, I could easily do that!!...and I am in Manitoba - we have 0 EV structure, in the middle of nowhere.

FYI - this is coming from someone that has had 2 EVs so far.
 

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I know I don't want to buy SR and that is what I said to my dealer, lariat SR is out for me (at the lariat cost Canadian) I would reluctantly consider a sr in xlt but I have to calculate the math on KM as I understand from those that have EV that you likley only enjoy middle 60 percent of the battery so I assume 320 miles really means 192 miles, is this correct? 230 SR truck really is 138 miles and as long as not super cold or hot as well which means another 10 perecent loss? if that is the case 320 is a must for my use, unless when people have them ford has under rated a lightly loaded truck and we get better numbers than what they are posting for lighter loads.
 

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I know I don't want to buy SR and that is what I said to my dealer, lariat SR is out for me (at the lariat cost Canadian) I would reluctantly consider a sr in xlt but I have to calculate the math on KM as I understand from those that have EV that you likley only enjoy middle 60 percent of the battery so I assume 320 miles really means 192 miles, is this correct? 230 SR truck really is 138 miles and as long as not super cold or hot as well which means another 10 perecent loss? if that is the case 320 is a must for my use, unless when people have them ford has under rated a lightly loaded truck and we get better numbers than what they are posting for lighter loads.
EV owner here, in the summer/fall/spring you will get 85-100% of the range - guaranteed…deep winter does change things but 130-150 miles is realistic but depending on what you use the truck for and how, even the ER won’t work for you…if you are in Canada (like me), you’d benefit from keeping the cost under $80k, huge speculation the gov of Canada will increase the iZEV limit to $80k and add $10k off - basically covering Pro and XLTs but leaving Lariats and Platinums out.
 

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I know I don't want to buy SR and that is what I said to my dealer, lariat SR is out for me (at the lariat cost Canadian) I would reluctantly consider a sr in xlt but I have to calculate the math on KM as I understand from those that have EV that you likley only enjoy middle 60 percent of the battery so I assume 320 miles really means 192 miles, is this correct? 230 SR truck really is 138 miles and as long as not super cold or hot as well which means another 10 perecent loss? if that is the case 320 is a must for my use, unless when people have them ford has under rated a lightly loaded truck and we get better numbers than what they are posting for lighter loads.
You are correct about the "middle 60%" factor. This is a rule of thumb for EVs in general. But with a truck, people will often want to haul/tow something; making the SR an even worse proposition. BUT, that is still not the biggest issue with an undersized pack.
 

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My annual driving is somewhat above average at 24,000 km (vs "normal" of 20,000 km p.a.), but only 4-5 trips a year out of town. For 300+ days a year, I'm parked at home 6 pm-6 am and do 60-100 km/day. For the few out of town trips, the ER battery wouldn't be enough to avoid away from home charging, so I see no point in the added cost and weight of the ER.

Equation is different for everyone of course. I had already decided SR anyway, but my dealer was promoting this direction at order time. Their logic was based on battery shortage leading Ford to favour SR builds so they could get more units in the road in MY2022.

My order (wave 3, XLT, placed Feb 1) hasn't been plucked yet, so who knows if we got it right?
 

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... continued (lol). The SR also takes a serious hit in charging speeds. The Lightning is already a couple of steps down in charging speed from what I am driving, the further hit would be a untenable.

I was given a Model S with a 60kw pack as a loaner for a week last year. It was not the range that drove me crazy (200 mi) it was the crippling early charge taper because of the small pack. The SR is going to be painful for any out of town stuff.
 

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Thank you to the Canadians for sharing how hard it is for any of us in the north, who plan on occasionally driving significant distances (I do 10 runs from Sioux Falls to Fargo a year in my truck), to consider SR. Couple that with the DC charging desert I'm in, no flipping way. I don't have a single DC faster charger I can use between cities and it is 240 miles.
 

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Dont you love the old days, you picked the colour the size motor interior options and then haggled the price a bit, today its this is what you get at the price I tell you or its NEXT inline please!
 
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